Most ridiculous thing about TOS

[2takesfrakes]

Dress uniforms are meant to be flattering. Dressing girls like boys isn't flattering, It's time to stop trying to pretend that the Human Race is genderless! There's no need for it, except to address some absurd insecurity brought on by politics. There should be backlash to this foolishness. I don't blame these women, at all.

 

[BillJ]

Dress uniforms are meant to be flattering. Dressing girls like boys isn't flattering, It's time to stop trying to pretend that the Human Race is genderless! There's no need for it, except to address some absurd insecurity brought on by politics. There should be backlash to this foolishness. I don't blame these women, at all.

The military is about conformity.

 

[2takesfrakes]

The military is also about pride. It concerns itself with how soldiers, sailors, whatever, feel about issued items that they have to live with every day ... like their uniforms.

 

[uniderth]

I almost included the sentence "properly sized and tailored for body type" along with "The most realistic thing would have been to do what police departments do currently: issue the exact same uniform to men and women." but I didn't think it would be necessary.

Yes, police uniforms for women are tailored to fit women. But they are they same design as the male uniforms. Same shirt, same collar, same pants, same shoes, same hats. By the same token a police uniform for a small or thin man is tailored differently than a uniform for a large or fat man. But they're the same design. Just like the male and female uniforms.

But you did say the "exact same uniform."

Roman tunics were not miniskirts. Neither are Scottish kilts. Nor were they issued only to women.

Maybe not, but they were only issued to men.

No need. To begin with, I'm talking specifically about miniskirts. Also, most militaries issued skirts and different uniforms to women when they first started admitting women. Including most police departments. In recent years they have increasingly moved to issuing the same uniforms to men and women, with most police departments dispensing entirely with different designs. Why? Because the uniforms designed for men are more practical, and more practical for women, too. The USMC is currently considering doing away with different dress uniforms for men and women. To me, it makes sense that 200 years from now the military will have long ago dispensed with such unnecessary differences.

It may make sense now. But in 100 years when cultural sensibilities have changed, yet again, it may not make any sense. After 50 years of exact gender neutrality, we may find that the next cool thing will be extreme gender polarity. I have no idea what the future will look like. But I can guarantee that it wont look anything like what are today or what we envision the perfect to be. Not only that, but they will look back at us and all our "progressive/conservative" talk as uneducated, backwards, and primitive.

Aw, Heck! uniderth beat me to it.

BOOM!

 

[The Old Mixer]

Please everyone, resist commenting on the female captain thing. It's a cancer that I've seen consume whole threads alive. We must stamp it out while we still have the chance.

Hear, hear!

 

[Phaser Two]

TOS did, however, take the time to show us T'Pau - the woman to whom the Federation couldn't say no.

 

[MANT!]

well the computer monitors..
Heck, the little known "Men Into Space" TV series in 1959-1960 had flat screens
why couldn't TOS make that leap..

 

[uniderth]

TOS did, however, take the time to show us T'Pau - the woman to whom the Federation couldn't say no.

In a society in which women were the property of their husbands no less.

 

[Warped9]

well the computer monitors..
Heck, the little known "Men Into Space" TV series in 1959-1960 had flat screens
why couldn't TOS make that leap..

TOS had flatscreens all over the place. Hell, the first thing I thought when I saw my first large flatscreen television was, "Wow! It's the viewscreen on the Enterprise Bridge."

 

[mos6507]

I don't want to upset anyone's cultural sensitivities, but fashion is extremely subjective. Look at these Greek military dress uniforms. To my eyes, they are far more absurd than the 1960s TOS female uniforms, but to Greeks they are traditional. Everything's relative.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Kirk not being riddled with every space STD going

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I think the show could have taken death more seriously. One-time characters die all the time, and unseen people die en masse (four billion in "The Changeling", a loss never bothered about again), but when a regular dies, he comes back to life after the commercial.

 

[Warped9]

I think the show could have taken death more seriously. One-time characters die all the time, and unseen people die en masse (four billion in "The Changeling", a loss never bothered about again), but when a regular dies, he comes back to life after the commercial.

Not to be insensitive, but even today we hear of scores of people being killed and it can be little more than a blip on our own emotional radar unless we have some sort of connection to the event or people involved. We can reflect on the tragic element of it, but we might not be moved much emotionally.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I still remember in the original pilot when Captain Pike had a clipboard with paper on it. I loled so hard at that. They got rid of it in the regular series, but it was so ridiculous that anyone could think this would be something in use in the 23rd century.... Thoughts?

I write software for a living and own a tablet and I still take notes everyday using a notepad. And to this day I don't think I've ever been able to sign for anything electronically that was close to legible. It looks like a four-year-old trying to forge my signature.

 

[uniderth]

If I could afford it. I would probably have multiple dedicated tablets. So yeah, I would have a pile of PADDs on my desk too.

 

[Greg Cox]

I write software for a living and own a tablet and I still take notes everyday using a notepad. And to this day I don't think I've ever been able to sign for anything electronically that was close to legible. It looks like a four-year-old trying to forge my signature.

Likewise. I love my laptop and wouldn't dream of going back to typewriters again, but I still rely heavily on index cards and legal pads when it comes to plotting my books. (And, yes, typewriters were still standard when I first got into the business.)

 

[johnnybear]

I don't want to upset anyone's cultural sensitivities, but fashion is extremely subjective. Look at these Greek military dress uniforms. To my eyes, they are far more absurd than the 1960s TOS female uniforms, but to Greeks they are traditional. Everything's relative.

Apparently there are four hundred pleats in those 'kilts'! One for each and every year that Greeks had to suffer under Turkish rule!
JB

 

[Metryq]

Dressing girls like boys isn't flattering,

I'll tell you what would have been ridiculous in TOS: putting Dr. Helen Noel in pants! Okay, granted, they managed it with Andrea, but Dr. Corby was a freak anyway. Or maybe Andrea had a tendency to slouch, and Dr. Corby was trying to correct her posture.

As for sound in space, I roll my eyes every time I hear that one. There's no music in space, either. Yet I frequently hear the "no sound in space" argument as one of the reasons 2001: A Space Odyssey is "the most accurate space film ever made." Hogwash. There were plenty of technical gaffes and concessions to drama and audience expectations.

• Fill light in space far from any planetary body.
• No radiators on Discovery's engines—deliberately left off because the audience might think they were wings.
• The cold sleep capsules in Discovery would not have been located in the "gravitated" habitat.
• The moonbus glided horizontally to the surface like an airplane, rather than making long, ballistic hops.
• Discovery's "AE-35" antenna was shown spinning like a radar.

etc.

 

[Warped9]

I've been watching JAG on DVD. Tracey Needham as Lt. Meg Austin in Navy whites or khaki, pants or skirt, sure as hell doesn't need a miniskirt to look hot. Other women throughout the series are seen in a variety of military attire and still look great.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Look at these Greek military dress uniforms ...

They make Scottish kilts appear to be extremely Manly, do they not?