Most morally questionable act by a protagonist?

[Cheapjack]

Making peace with the Klingons in the first place!

They're ANIMALS!!!

LET THEM DIE!!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Kirk blowing up the computers on Eminiar. It's a good thing that later events appear to have worked out in his favor.

 

[Cheapjack]

Kirk kissing ANY girl.

The hound!!

 

[Cheapjack]

Any episode where Kirk kisses the girl, and DOESN'T give up his career to marry her!

Self centred git!

 

[Cheapjack]

Any episode where picard tries to see things from the klingons' point of view!

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Making peace with the Klingons in the first place!

They're ANIMALS!!!

LET THEM DIE!!

Making peace was a good idea insofar as ending the war...but getting as buddy-buddy with them as the Federation did, while they are STILL going a'Viking in other sectors and committing all sorts of atrocities, is questionable.

 

[Dusty Ayres]

Captain Kirk's seduction of ladies to gain a tactical advantage in most episodes of TOS, plus his selling weapons to the Hill People in the episode 'A Private Little War.', Also, his destruction of Vaal in 'The Apple'-we don't know if Vaal was a natural part of their society or not.

I think it's interesting that Janeway murdering Tuvix is getting so many more votes than Riker and the clone murder. To me, those situations are very similar. I'd also say that Riker's actions were slightly worse than Janeway's because at least she had the shaky excuse of getting back two crew members in exchange for the killing. Riker and Pulaski were pretty much just like: "Cha, these clones creep me out, let's kill 'em."

I'm wondering if the clone murder isn't getting a lot of votes because it was presented in a less interesting way on-screen. I seem to remember the clones were sleeping, and Riker looking kind of stressed out and shooting them with a phaser. In fact, I can't even recall if he shot them both, or if Pulaski shot her own.

The clones had no right being created in the first place-Riker & Pulaski even told them no, and they went ahead and cloned them anyway, knocking them out and then extracting genetic material to get said clones, even though Crusher said that constant cloning wasn't working anymore. So no, Riker & Pulaski were right, and the colonists were wrong.

 

[Anwar]

Hmm, does that qualify Riker and Pulaski as rape victims?

 

[ProtoAvatar]

I think it's interesting that Janeway murdering Tuvix is getting so many more votes than Riker and the clone murder. To me, those situations are very similar. I'd also say that Riker's actions were slightly worse than Janeway's because at least she had the shaky excuse of getting back two crew members in exchange for the killing. Riker and Pulaski were pretty much just like: "Cha, these clones creep me out, let's kill 'em."

I'm wondering if the clone murder isn't getting a lot of votes because it was presented in a less interesting way on-screen. I seem to remember the clones were sleeping, and Riker looking kind of stressed out and shooting them with a phaser. In fact, I can't even recall if he shot them both, or if Pulaski shot her own.

The clones had no right being created in the first place-Riker & Pulaski even told them no, and they went ahead and cloned them anyway, knocking them out and then extracting genetic material to get said clones, even though Crusher said that constant cloning wasn't working anymore. So no, Riker & Pulaski were right, and the colonists were wrong.

Irrelevant. It does not matter that Riker/Pulaski were kidnapped/raped?. You see, a rape victim doesn't have the right to kill the resulting child, once the pregnacy reached a certain age /the child was born - THAT'S MURDER.

If the clones had an age equivalent to that of fetuses that can be legally aborted, an argument could be made that Riker/Pulaski did something equivalent to a legal abortion.
In any other case, Riker/Pulaski comitted murder.

 

[Dusty Ayres]

Hmm, does that qualify Riker and Pulaski as rape victims?

I'd say so, and Riker even said so himself, that cloning him was something of a violation of what he was as a person.

 

[Guartho]

The clones had no right being created in the first place-Riker & Pulaski even told them no, and they went ahead and cloned them anyway, knocking them out and then extracting genetic material to get said clones, even though Crusher said that constant cloning wasn't working anymore. So no, Riker & Pulaski were right, and the colonists were wrong.

None of which was the fault of the clones themselves. I wonder, did Riker have the right to kill Tom Riker in second chances as well?

 

[Dusty Ayres]

^^^Riker didn't kill him, though, IIRC.

 

[DevilEyes]

Hmm, does that qualify Riker and Pulaski as rape victims?

No. Unless extracting DNA qualifies as a sexual act.

 

[Anwar]

Well, rape is the act of implanting ones' DNA into another without their consent. So by those definitions, extracting ones DNA OUT of them without consent should also count.

 

[DevilEyes]

Well, rape is the act of implanting ones' DNA into another without their consent.

No, it's not. If it were, then forcing oneself sexually on someone while using a condom would not be considered rape. Rape is by definition a sexual act forced on a person.

 

[Anwar]

Fine, rape is an act that can involve implanting ones' DNA into another without consent as well as non-consensual sex.

Since stealing someone's DNA hasn't been done in real life, they haven't gotten around to redefining the term yet .

 

[Alidar Jarok]

It's a privacy violation, but it's certainly not rape. It could theoretically happen today. At best, I think it would be assault (no one's tried to clone somebody against their will, that's for sure).

 

[Guartho]

^^^Riker didn't kill him, though, IIRC.

No, but within the confines of Fed law, did he have the right to? There was no question what-so-ever that he had a right to kill his unauthorized clone so why not his unauthorized transporter duplicate?

 

[DevilEyes]

^^^Riker didn't kill him, though, IIRC.

No, but within the confines of Fed law, did he have the right to? There was no question what-so-ever that he had a right to kill his unauthorized clone so why not his unauthorized transporter duplicate?

Why not ask, did Tom Riker have the right to kill Will Riker? If Will had the right, so had Tom. Both were equally transporter duplicates/original Riker. Neither of them was more "the real Riker" than the other.

So... maybe a duel to the death?

 

[Anwar]

Well, for one thing Tom Riker wasn't the result of someone else stealing Riker's DNA he was just the result of a transporter accident. Not quite the same as DNA theft and using said stolen material to purposely make a clone.