Most Developed character in DS9?
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Sisko seemed like a guest star? Or Bashir?
This is a very weird poll. If it's supposed to be about recurring characters/people billed as guest stars, why are Sisko and Bashir there? If it's supposed to be about all characters, where is Kira, Odo, Quark...?
I picked Sisko. Not my favorite character, but in terms of development I think he wins hands down.
I went for Damar. Garak was strong all the way through but I selected Damar as it seemed he just a nobody next to Dukat and he was the one who made him flip (not Sisko, I hate season 7) and the way he turned against the Dominion after having a break down and helping the Resistance.
Sisko seemed like a guest star? Or Bashir?
This is a very weird poll. If it's supposed to be about recurring characters/people billed as guest stars, why are Sisko and Bashir there? If it's supposed to be about all characters, where is Kira, Odo, Quark...?
I am trying to pick out characters who had the best developments through the series.
Odo, Quark, O'Brian, Worf all strong characters at the start in my view. I suppose you could put Kira in that poll as her development did get better during the whole series.
Anyways that's why there is other at the end.
Example Bashir was a git at the start and turned into a very likeable character during the whole series. Same could be said for Nog and Rom.
All right then... in that case, I can agree with your choices, since I think Kira was a great character from the start (even though she had great development in the sense that she changed and grew as a person), as were Odo, Quark, O'Brien... Sisko and Bashir did take time to develop. Your OP was confusing since you said it's about characters were first thought would be just guest stars.Sisko seemed like a guest star? Or Bashir?
This is a very weird poll. If it's supposed to be about recurring characters/people billed as guest stars, why are Sisko and Bashir there? If it's supposed to be about all characters, where is Kira, Odo, Quark...?
I am trying to pick out characters who had the best developments through the series.
Odo, Quark, O'Brian, Worf all strong characters at the start in my view. I suppose you could put Kira in that poll as her development did get better during the whole series.
In that case... Well, my favorites from the list are Sisko, Dukat and Garak, though they are all great characters...(maybe not so much Rom). But I thought Garak was great from the moment he appeared. I even think I liked him better in the early and middle seasons when he was more ambiguous - there were moments in the late seasons when I felt they had made him too much of a good guy despite his past and shadiness. Exactly the opposite with Dukat - they went back and forth with him, but in the end they tried to make him a one-dimensional cartoon villain, which was disappointing. Sisko got a lot better after the first couple of seasons, but Bashir was probably the character who changed and matured the most. I really didn't care for him or his centric episodes in the beginning, and in the last few seasons he was great. But then there's also Damar, who started as a nobody and developed so much in just over a season...
Hm, I'll have to think about it a bit more. Bashir or Damar?
Nog really grew as a character. Compare how he was in Season 1 to how he was in Season 7.
I have to go with Nog as well. In terms of character development, if you watch a season 1 and season 7 episode featuring Nog back to back, its hard to believe that it is the same person, yet the transformation is believable. What they did to Dukat by the end of show was unforgivable.
Nog hands down. Of all the characters, he is the one that had such a turnaround in character. It was like going from black to white in 7 seasons....
Leeta. She was very well "developed" in the chest region. 
Bashir had a good transformation too, but retconning in his genetic engineering makes the development seem less than natural. Garak was awesome, but he didn't really develop, we just learned more about his backstory as time went by. Dukat had great development up until Waltz, then he went goofy. Damar had great development, it's a pity that he only showed up in late season 4. Most of the characters had good development in this show, that's one thing that DS9 was great at.
Yeah, I think Nog probably wins. From the stereotypical Ferengi teenager that was arrested for robbery in the pilot to the scarred veteran in the finale, it was quite a journey for him but believable all the way.porphyra said:
Bashir had a good transformation too, but retconning in his genetic engineering makes the development seem less than natural. Garak was awesome, but he didn't really develop, we just learned more about his backstory as time went by. Dukat had great development up until Waltz, then he went goofy. Damar had great development, it's a pity that he only showed up in late season 4. Most of the characters had good development in this show, that's one thing that DS9 was great at.
Nog and Rom both grew together and apart in a sense, but Nog more then his father seeing as Nog was "becoming a man". However, I'm going to have to have to say Garak. Garak was a outcast that we learned tons about in the end.
Although, Garak was my favorite DS9 character so I guess I could be bias by that.
Although, Garak was my favorite DS9 character so I guess I could be bias by that.
Leeta was pretty developed...
...Although, there was that sexy alien in the shiny bodysuit (one that Quark was doing business with) that looked pretty developed...
Of course, the Intendant with her 'attire' looked developed too...!
Yep, it is a hard one...very, hard...
Hmmm...
I'm going to have to give it to Leeta....
How could it not be Damar? He evolved from a guest mook with one or two lines to the savior of all Cardassia.
This doesn't make sense. How can you hate S7 when that was the season that gave Damar the most development?
LOL what?! Being a writer is being "an idiot"? Where did you get the idea that journalism is obsolete since the 21st century? I see nothing to indicate this, and it makes no sense at all. If anything, journalism should be a lot more popular. And there should be a lot more people doing things like writing, journalism, all kinds of arts, because they're not pressured to do tedious administrative and manual jobs to put food on the table.
There's no indication of Jake's work being useless on the show.
I'd say Nog developed the most as well.
I don't see any reason to believe that journalism would be obsolete in the Trek universe, but the fact remains that it was a questionable choice as a career for Jake.
It's not so much that the Federation wouldn't need journalists, but rather that the Trek tv shows don't really develop any careers or organisations outside of Starfleet. Once they decided against having Jake join Starfleet, he could no longer really be mentored directly by his father and he couldn't be involved in any of the main storylines. Compare this with Nog, who is able to evolve as a character precisely because he joins Starfleet.
The Federation doubtless involves many careers and organisations that have nothing to do with Starfleet, but they aren't the focus of the shows and are tangential to the basic Trek concept. Even the Federation's government (which presumably is as important to the Federation as Starfleet) receives very little attention. There must be professional lawyers, entertainers, athletes, etc. as well, but none of those careers make any sense for a character on a Trek show becase they aren't involved with Starfleet and probably don't differ in any meaningful way from the equivalent careers in our world.
I can understand why the writers didn't want to have Jake join Starfleet, since it seems like the obvious and predictable choice, but I don't think the "professional writer" angle really panned out in the end. It's one of the reasons why Jake doesn't have a discernable character arc when compared to his Ferengi friend.
To a degree the writers have a similar problem with Quark because they have a hard time getting him involved in Starfleet matters (thus the Ferengi episodes can seem like they are happening in a separate show entirely at times). Kira and Odo work fine, but that is because they are doing jobs that would normally be reserved for Starfleet personel. At the end of the day, Star Trek is mainly about Starfleet, or at least most of the stories are told using Starfleet as the main vehicle, so getting Jake involved in a career that had nothing to do with Starfleet was probably not the best choice.
It's not so much that the Federation wouldn't need journalists, but rather that the Trek tv shows don't really develop any careers or organisations outside of Starfleet. Once they decided against having Jake join Starfleet, he could no longer really be mentored directly by his father and he couldn't be involved in any of the main storylines. Compare this with Nog, who is able to evolve as a character precisely because he joins Starfleet.
The Federation doubtless involves many careers and organisations that have nothing to do with Starfleet, but they aren't the focus of the shows and are tangential to the basic Trek concept. Even the Federation's government (which presumably is as important to the Federation as Starfleet) receives very little attention. There must be professional lawyers, entertainers, athletes, etc. as well, but none of those careers make any sense for a character on a Trek show becase they aren't involved with Starfleet and probably don't differ in any meaningful way from the equivalent careers in our world.
I can understand why the writers didn't want to have Jake join Starfleet, since it seems like the obvious and predictable choice, but I don't think the "professional writer" angle really panned out in the end. It's one of the reasons why Jake doesn't have a discernable character arc when compared to his Ferengi friend.
To a degree the writers have a similar problem with Quark because they have a hard time getting him involved in Starfleet matters (thus the Ferengi episodes can seem like they are happening in a separate show entirely at times). Kira and Odo work fine, but that is because they are doing jobs that would normally be reserved for Starfleet personel. At the end of the day, Star Trek is mainly about Starfleet, or at least most of the stories are told using Starfleet as the main vehicle, so getting Jake involved in a career that had nothing to do with Starfleet was probably not the best choice.
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