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[number6]

I wouldn't have liked to be the one to tell her she had no control. I could just picture her saying, yea, a uso show, sending stars over seas to entertain the troops. Sounds like fun, let's do that one. I rarely also believe Herb Solow about anything anyway. Talk about a bloated ego. You would have thought he created Star Trek all by himself with the amount of credit he took for it in retrospect.

Without Herb Solow there would have been no Star Trek. Period.

Lucille Ball know her role in Desilu. Desi Arnaz was hands on with the day to day handling of Desilu. Lucy had little interest in being in charge of Desilu after they split up and let the people they both hired do their jobs.

Well then she didn't get what she thought she was getting but giving Credence to Solow's statements over Roddenberrys doesn't make sense since they were all after as much glory as they could get.

Huh?? What the hell are your talking about??


She thought Star Trek was about a USO show. She never read the pilot script. But so what?? Desilu rented their soundstages and studios to produce pilots for television. That was Desilu's role in Star Trek. Lucille Ball had no more power to get Trek on the air than your mother does. Herb Solow was a producer who shopped pilots around, getting them sold to networks. Without his support of Star Trek, the show would have never survived the pitch process to become a pilot.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I wouldn't have liked to be the one to tell her she had no control. I could just picture her saying, yea, a uso show, sending stars over seas to entertain the troops. Sounds like fun, let's do that one.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Read the anecdote again. What you can "picture" has no bearing whatever on the facts of the matter.

Ball didn't "greenlight" Trek because she thought it was a show about the USO. The process didn't work that way.

And I'd certainly believe Solow, Justman and most anyone else who worked on "Star Trek" before I'd believe a thing Gene Roddenberry said.

 

[M'Sharak]

Have we finished beating the Lucille Ball thing to death yet?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Beats me. I'd post a link to "tub girl" except that I suspect that all excrement is not created equal.

 

[Devon]

Beating it like a red-headed step child?

 

[M'Sharak]

Beats me. I'd post a link to "tub girl" except that I suspect that all excrement is not created equal.

I'll just say that I think we've about reached our limit on excrement imagery for the foreseeable future and leave it at that.

 

[Gepard]

Beats me. I'd post a link to "tub girl" except that I suspect that all excrement is not created equal.

I'll just say that I think we've about reached our limit on excrement imagery for the foreseeable future and leave it at that.

But I was just about to bring up "2 Vulcans 1 Cup!"

 

[Therin of Andor]

Have we finished beating the Lucille Ball thing to death yet?

Nobody mentioned that her son-in-law was a renegade Vulcan!

 

[M'Sharak]

True, but that wasn't until centuries after the TOS pilot/DesiLu thing.

 

[Frontier]

I didn't think it possible for two people to say so much and yet not one damn actual thing.

How many interviews are these guys going to give where they say paragraphs, yet not an iota of actual information about the movie?

 

[SalvorHardin]

I didn't think it possible for two people to say so much and yet not one damn actual thing.

How many interviews are these guys going to give where they say paragraphs, yet not an iota of actual information about the movie?

True but since I'm weak and I'm likely to read any spoilers, I'd rather they don't give anything more away.

It will be nice going unspoilt, for the most part, for a trek movie just once.

 

[trekkerguy]

They're trying not to spoil, people keep asking however, so they're not at fault.

 

[SalvorHardin]

They're trying not to spoil, people keep asking however, so they're not at fault.

They would not be at fault either way.
It's their project so it's their decision and I guess Paramount's how much they want to reveal or not.

i think the internet has really really messed with our brains and how much we expect to know for a movie before we go see it.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Flops are flops, whatever the budget.

I'm hoping Star Trek is a resounding success, but I realize quality of movie is sometimes meaningless to its success.

That depends on your perspective, now, doesn't it?

If you're looking at it "artistically," then your argument is correct (though impossible to quantify, obviously).

But if you're a studio head, or someone who is invested in the studio (and has a vested interest in making money, not making art), your statement is nonsense.

A movie that cost $100,000,000 to make which brings in $20,000,000 is a flop.

A movie that cost $10,000,000 to make which brings in $20,000,000 is a success.

Not a "blockbuster" but still a success.

So, a flick like "Waterworld" was a flop, even though it brought in enough money to make many other pics a "success."

Other, low-budget flicks can be considered successes if they made less than "Waterworld" did.

Isn't that right?