Which means "not at all." What you're calling "reputation" is more accurately called "gossip."
I prefer the movie work of Orci and Kurtzman to that of Moore and Braga.
Moore and Braga vs. Orci and Kurtzman -- Who Do You Prefer?
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Which means "not at all." What you're calling "reputation" is more accurately called "gossip."
I prefer the movie work of Orci and Kurtzman to that of Moore and Braga.
Bennett and Meyer. 
In fairness, when it came to Generations, Berman, Braga, and Moore were given a laundry list by the studio of what needed to be in that film. First Contact gave them much more creative freedom. Source: the commentaries for Generations and First Contact. Also, "actor demands" didn't really start popping up until Insurrection.
In fairness, when it came to Generations, Berman, Braga, and Moore were given a laundry list by the studio of what needed to be in that film. First Contact gave them much more creative freedom. Source: the commentaries for Generations and First Contact. Also, "actor demands" didn't really start popping up until Insurrection.
I read somewhere (maybe even here, I'm not sure unfortunately) that the Kelvin in the new movie was supposed to be the Enterprise NCC-1701 under the command of Robert April. But Paramount said no, you can't destroy the Enterprise in this movie at all. So it happens all the time.
I'm going to call for a tie. They're pretty equal on hits and misses, to me.
Aside from possibly Worf, TNG doesn't have any characters more popular than those two. Any TNG movie with an eye to being a success will give Picard and Data screentime.
I'm just saying, even if Patrick Stewart didn't have ego problems you're not going to make a movie about Bev Crusher an Deanna Troi.
That said I think it can be safely inferred that FC is as good as these guys could have ever got a TNG movie. And that's IMHO pretty good, as it turns out.
LOL, now since it's getting old with Shatner, fanbase is now attesting Patrick Stewart ego problems?
I guess, although from what I read, it was Stewart who nixed an even worse idea for Insurrection. So, maybe less Shatner and more Nimoy.
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I don't award Orci and Kurtzman complete fault for this piece of garbage that they called a movie. Abrams and Paramount deserve their share of the blame. Yes the writing was terrible, plot thin as paper and casting questionable (for the most part). The suits did one thing well though. They made a generic action movie, slapped on "Star Trek" and fooled a lot of people.
I think that Star Trek fans suffer from an inferiority complex. Forever Star Trek was "lame" and now that it's cool and makes lots of money, everyone's onboard. I mean really, if this movie bombed at the box office do you really think that all of the fans would be so supportive? I don't.
I think that Star Trek fans suffer from an inferiority complex. Forever Star Trek was "lame" and now that it's cool and makes lots of money, everyone's onboard. I mean really, if this movie bombed at the box office do you really think that all of the fans would be so supportive? I don't.
I agree the storyline was pretty thin and simplistic, but that didn't keep it from being a really fun and dynamic movie overall. Those are two things Trek hasn't been for a LOOOONG while, and for me (and probably a lot of others) that was more than enough to make it worthwhile.
But as far as the writers go, I honestly have to give more credit to the director for making the movie work than Bob and Alex. It's really Abrams' style and direction that stands out more than anything else I think.
What's Abrams' style of direction?
You made it easy with the movie thing. There is no such thing as a good Ron Moore or Brannon Braga movie. Unless All Good Things' feature-length somehow counts.
That already happened. It was called Nemesis.
Anyway, I'm glad that as of this writing, the two duos are tied. Trek of the 90s and Trek of today are two separate but vital creatures.
Yes. We are speaking the same language. While tastes are unique, I find it difficult to believe that Star Trek: Nemesis is just soooo awful, while this new film is sooooo amazing.
Listening to some people on this forum complain for seven years of about Nemesis as if their lives were forever effected by viewing one film... come on. I know that I dislike this new film equally to those who HATE Nemesis, but I doubt I will be as confrontational about it in 7 years.
Yes, I think it comes down to money. Star Trek: Nemesis was poorly marketed and promoted (like most modern Trek films). It also came out against what would be one of the biggest movies of the decade (Lord of the Rings: Two Towers). Was it the best Trek movie. No. However, if Nemesis made money anywhere near what First Contact made, you can bet your bottom dollar you wouldn't hear some people complain about it.
This new film had a marketing budget larger than the entire production budget of Nemesis. It made a huge amount of money at the box office. Furthermore, it made the name "Star Trek" popular among mainstream culture for the first time in many years. I believe it is because of THIS more so than the movie itself that it is praised so highly on this forum. Star Trek fans are used to being made fun of. I think that this has given a lot of us a complex. Do you think that JJ Abrams gives two fucks about Star Trek? It just offends me that people would compare what he did to what Meyer did for Star Trek 2.
IMO Meyer dropped the ball..
And really, it's just a movie. No need to be offended that in general, people like something you don't. The fact that you are is, quite frankly, a little bit odd.
I mean, I find many elements of the new Doctor Who to be pretty poor compared to the original show. IMO it hardly ever rises to the level of the classic series and sometimes I am left wondering what it is people find so fantastic about the new incarnation. But at the end of the day it's just a matter of opinion, and I am certainly by no means offended in any way that many prefer the new show, even if I sometimes can't see it.
And really, it's just a movie. No need to be offended that in general, people like something you don't. The fact that you are is, quite frankly, a little bit odd.
I mean, I find many elements of the new Doctor Who to be pretty poor compared to the original show. IMO it hardly ever rises to the level of the classic series and sometimes I am left wondering what it is people find so fantastic about the new incarnation. But at the end of the day it's just a matter of opinion, and I am certainly by no means offended in any way that many prefer the new show, even if I sometimes can't see it.
Did Meyer give "two fucks" about Star Trek before he got the job?
If you don't care much for Star Trek, and really never did... why would you pick up a project? I don't know... maybe for a lot of MONEY?
It doesn't so much bother me that people actually like this film. To each his/her own. What I do believe, is that people are more willing to defend this film as opposed to the one that preceded it because of issues other than the actual films themselves.
1. Star Trek made a lot of money
2. Star Trek is "cool" again for the first time since maybe ever.
I believe that this mainstream recognition fills a void for some. Finally the franchise that they hold so dear is "popular" and "kewl".
Like I said before. If Star Trek: Nemesis made anywhere near 100 million at the box office, it wouldn't get the treatment it gets on these forums. I am not saying it would be a fan favorite, but I certainly don't believe it would be as apparently offensive as it is.
It doesn't so much bother me that people actually like this film. To each his/her own. What I do believe, is that people are more willing to defend this film as opposed to the one that preceded it because of issues other than the actual films themselves.
1. Star Trek made a lot of money
2. Star Trek is "cool" again for the first time since maybe ever.
I believe that this mainstream recognition fills a void for some. Finally the franchise that they hold so dear is "popular" and "kewl".
Like I said before. If Star Trek: Nemesis made anywhere near 100 million at the box office, it wouldn't get the treatment it gets on these forums. I am not saying it would be a fan favorite, but I certainly don't believe it would be as apparently offensive as it is.
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