What was the symbol? Anyone got a pic?
Moffat discusses the regeneration limit
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Fascinating..
Think that could be the future ?
Or they didn't want to pay royalties to whoever wrote up the Cybusmen version for use in a video game.
Or they didn't want to pay royalties to whoever wrote up the Cybusmen version for use in a video game.
Wouldn't any royalties include the entire likeness though?
Guys, Tennant ISN'T coming back. OK? I loved him, too but lets move on.
Easy way around the regen thingy- the Time Lords gave him unlimited regens when he agreed to fight in the Time War. Easy for them to do and he might have needed that power to get the job done.
As for cracks, TARDIS explosions, etc: Am I slow or have they completely ignored an explanation for why the TARDIS went kaplooey when the Doc regenerated? I think this still needs to be addressed and may tie into what's going on. (unless, of course, this HAS been addressed somewhere and I stupidly missed it in which case, all the theories above are kosher)
Easy way around the regen thingy- the Time Lords gave him unlimited regens when he agreed to fight in the Time War. Easy for them to do and he might have needed that power to get the job done.
As for cracks, TARDIS explosions, etc: Am I slow or have they completely ignored an explanation for why the TARDIS went kaplooey when the Doc regenerated? I think this still needs to be addressed and may tie into what's going on. (unless, of course, this HAS been addressed somewhere and I stupidly missed it in which case, all the theories above are kosher)
^ They made a point of this at the end of TBB, not knowing how the TARDIS was controlled.
I get the impression at least the first half of the next series will be dealing with this.
I get the impression at least the first half of the next series will be dealing with this.
They never said anything explicitly, but the Doctor mentioned that he "absorbed" all the radiation the Immortality Gate was leaking out, so there wasn't any contamination. He did the same thing in "Smith and Jones" and, in that case, he had to expel the contamination out of his body (and in so doing, irradiated one of his shoes). I always assumed it was the same deal in "End of Time," on a much larger scale. Normally, the regeneration would be a harmless lightshow, but when it's also releasing a million units of stored-up radiation (yes, I know that phrase makes no logical sense, but go with me on this), things get dangerous.
I don't think they would use the old Cybermen designs at all, even if they do (did?) use the Mondasians.... The Cybermen were updated in practically every TOS appearence, so they'd be updated for the new series as well.
Appearence-wise, the Nu Cybermen IMO in the head resemble the Wheel In Space Cybermen, the last Cybermen design before they got the big 'headphones'. Specifically, they have the 'tear' in the corner of their eyes.
The Cybermen in the classic series were due for a redesign, anyway. There's some concept art out there for season 27 I believe that would have had a new Cybermen look. It would have also utilized the tears.
The main problem with the Mondasians IMO is that their chronology is kind of messed up. David Banks (80's Cyberleader) even wrote a book trying to figure it out.
Appearence-wise, the Nu Cybermen IMO in the head resemble the Wheel In Space Cybermen, the last Cybermen design before they got the big 'headphones'. Specifically, they have the 'tear' in the corner of their eyes.
The Cybermen in the classic series were due for a redesign, anyway. There's some concept art out there for season 27 I believe that would have had a new Cybermen look. It would have also utilized the tears.
The main problem with the Mondasians IMO is that their chronology is kind of messed up. David Banks (80's Cyberleader) even wrote a book trying to figure it out.
That's always been my feeling on the matter.
I don't suppose this is possible (putting it in spoilercode just in case it would be banned as a story idea):
Perhaps the alternate Earth IS Mondas? Or will be?
That's actually my favorite explanation.
Of course it means that the Cybusmen ARE proper Cybermen.
As I posted in another thread, I would love a redesign akin to the Tenth Planet era, when they were more creepy than Iron Borgs...
Now that really creeps the hell out of me.
It's a really effective design, although I don't think the new series would ever use it because it's way too scary to be kid-friendly.In some ways, I think the "Tenth Planet" Cybermen are the scariest of them all. The others look like robots. I don't find robots to be particularly scary. What scares me about the Cybermen is remembering that they used to be human. BTW, the Big Finish audio "Spare Parts" is probably the scariest & saddest Cybermen story ever done.
Except that "Cyberwoman" established that, when the Cybusmen were invading our world in "Army of Ghosts"/"Doomsday," they didn't have time to build new robot suits for everyone, so some Cybusmen were cybernetic conversions of whole bodies. (This is what happened to Ianto's girlfriend in "Cyberwoman.")
Unless there was also a Cybus Industries on Mondas.
Overall, I would think that the Cybermen in "The Pandorica Opens" were mostly, if not totally, from Mondas. As has been said, the Cybus Cybermen don't have spaceships, while the Mondas ones do. (In fact, didn't "The Pandorica Opens" feature a Cybership design similar to the one used in "The Invasion"?)
Even if they ever want to make it clear that the Cybermen being seen are Mondas Cybermen, I still think they'll probably end up looking something like the Cybusmen, if only because the old 1960s-'80s designs look too cheesy.
Frankly, I was surprised that they didn't leave the type of Cybermen in "The Next Doctor" more ambiguous.
I do really like this idea.
I assumed that was just because when the regeneration energy shot out of the Doctor it hit the console. It has often been implied the regeneration energy can be dangerous. After all the Doctor wanted everyone to stand away from him in The Parting of the Ways and The Stolen Earth. Now we know why.
