If reality is rebuilt, what is the status of the Timelords, Daleks, Cybermen, etc? Also, is it just me thinking this or did the Time War actually start when Doctor #4 was sent by the Timelords to destroy the Daleks in "Genesis of the Daleks"?
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The Time Lords are still extinct, the New Paradigm Daleks are now out there, the Cybus Cybermen are still either stuck in Pete's World or wandering around if they got thrown out of the Void by Davros's Reality Bomb, and the Mondas Cybermen are still wherever they've been the entire revived series. (TV Tropes claims that Moffat has said that it was the Mondas Cybermen in "The Pandorica Opens," but I haven't gotten confirmation of that.)
RTD has said that that can retroactively be considered the first shot in the Time War, yeah.
^ But the Cybermen in TPO were blathering on about "all realities" being deleted, which would lend to them being the AU ones.
As much as I want to see the Mondasians return.
As much as I want to see the Mondasians return.
That doesn't mean they weren't Mondas Cybermen, though; there's no particular reason that the Mondas Cybermen wouldn't consider the deletion of all universes a bad thing.
And if they are Cybus Cybermen who are from Pete's World and crossed into our reality as a result of the Total Event Collapse, that raises the question of how they got through to our universe. (Unless they're like the Cybus Cybermen from "The Next Doctor," scattered about into our universe by Davros's Reality Bomb.)
Also we would have to wonder why the Mondasian Cybs look like Cybus Cybermen. Which they were, naturally. That much was obvious. Moffat might have wanted an original Cyberman in there, but I doubt marketing would have any of that. Too much money spent on the redesign. No way they're dragging out the old costumes or commissioning a new redesign of the Mondasians...
If we can accept that Humans and Time Lords, despite having vastly differing biologies and physical capacities, happen to have evolved to look identical, and if we can accept the idea that there's a parallel world with nearly identical versions of the vast majority of the people from our world, I think we can accept the possibility that at one point in their evolutions, the Cybus and Mondas Cybermen happened to look identical.
They were meant to be Mondas (or Telos) Cybermen; there wasn't money in the budget, though, to realize them.
(There has to be some fanfilm group that had half-decent Old School Cybermen costumes, though, that the production could have borrowed. Official Star Trek productions have borrowed fanfilm props, for example. Heck, even "Curse of the Fatal Death" used a fan-built console room.)
And "all realities being deleted"? Well, that's a nice tie-in to Michael Moorcock's novel...
In addition to the above statement about the Cybermen showing concern about all universes being deleted, they also had the Cybus Industries logo on their chests. While it is possible that Mondas Cybermen could coincidentally end up looking like the Cybus Cybermen, I doubt they would stamp the Cybus logo on them. Of course, there were Cyberships orbiting the planet, which the Cybus Cybermen wouldn't have.
My personal theory is that the Alliance consisted of both Cybus and Mondas Cybermen. The Cybus ones went down to confront the Doctor at the Pandorica, while the Mondas ones stayed on their ships. After all, not all the aliens went down to the Pandorica, some stayed on their ships. After all, I don't remember seeing any Slitheen, Draconians or Zygons assembled at the Pandorica.
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If Doctor Who starts using those ridiculous old "man-in-aluminum-shirt" costumes from DW TOS, everybody will be too busy laughing to take anything on it seriously at all.
From what I understand
Cybus Cybermen cut peoples brains out and put the brains in the Cyberman bodies
Mondasian Cybermen put people in suits after adding all kinds of cybernetic implants.
The Cyberman head show dumped a skull out of itself before trying to attach itslef to Amy so I'm leaning toward Mondasian Cybermen.
Plus the episode said the Cybermen HAD SHIPS (LOTS OF SHIPS), The Cybus Cybermen didn't have that kind of technology outside of the one giant robot thing. Also the Mondasian Cybermen apeared in one of the 11th doctor video games they released and the only difference with the Cybus ones were the Mondasian versions had a different symbol on their chests.
