Missy's Revelation (spoilers)

[The Wormhole]

So are all Timelords inherently bi-sexual than? So we could have a male/female time-lord couple with kids etc.., then one of them changes there gender, boy would that change things in the bedroom LOL. Well, I suppose that even regenerating to a different same sex body for person in a relationship may prove interesting as well.

So I wonder if the Master would have always wanted to kiss the Doctor as a male or did that desire only just kick in when he became a she. If he then regenerated back into a man would he be able to live with himself for his previous female desires. Interesting...

Well, some fans have speculated the Doctor and the Master were once lovers, and RTD even allegedly intentionally inserted subtext between them. Although, as we see in Dark Water, Missy was also interested in making out with Clara as well. At the very least, we can conclude the Master/Mistress is bisexual, whether or not this extends to all other Time Lords is hard to say. Maybe there are many bisexuals, and many others who are only sexually interested in one gender, and only keep that interest regardless of which gender their current body is, and how often they regenerate.

 

[Ithekro]

Back in the third series, when the Doctor answer's Martha's phone call with the Master, the conversation kind of goes all over the place. At one point the Master even asks if the Doctor is asking him out on a date.

One thing was clear though, especially for the Doctor, and probably for the Master as well, they are lonely. So very lonely without their own kind. River Song somewhat fills that void for the Doctor for a few hundred years.

Actually, come to think of it, the Doctor's relationship with Clara is in some ways like his relationship with River. He use to give to River's prison cell (probably a lot) to pick her up for dates and other adventures. She was always in the same place, though he's also run into her outside prison since she got a vortex manipulator (and was later released). River would not consent to traveling with the Doctor full time even after he ask her too following the loss of Amy and Rory, Now the Doctor visits Clara once a week or so (or after some months) to take her on trips (he might have considered them dates while he was the 11th Doctor), and she's refused to travel with him full time.

In the old days he couldn't do this because he couldn't fly the TARDIS, and later it was simply unreliable. By the 6th or 7th Doctor he might have got it fixed enough were he could pilot it effectively, but not so much before that. It does seem to be able to get to Gallifrey well enough, but he generally didn't want to go there.

 

[Starkers]

^ Clara, Amy, and River were all great characters.

River was interesting before they Mary Sue'd her up and shoved her down our throats ever four or five episodes.

Clara was great in series 7 when we were all still wondering about the whole "Impossible Girl" stuff but since then, she's been a bore. (NOTE: Jenna Coleman is fantastic in the role either way, she just hasn't been given much to do this season in my opinion.)

Amy was probably the worst of them all.

Looking further back, Reinette and Sally Sparrow are great too. I don't understand your criticism.

Mr Awe

...characters who originated and were presented during the Davies run. As showrunner, its impossible for me to believe that though they may have been Moffat's creations, Davies wouldn't have had significant input in how they were presented on television.

Speaking of Davies, let's look at what he did with his companions:

Rose: Started out as a shop girl, ended up becoming a time warrior badass who ultimately crossed dimensions to save not only her new world but back again to save ours.

Martha: Started out as a medical student, ultimately married former companion Mickey after finishing her doctorate, basically running UNIT, joining Torchwood, and in her final appearance, still fighting the bad guys to save the day.

Donna: A temp from Chiswick and unlucky in love who literally saved the whole of creation and everything we know but had to give it all up so she could keep her measly life. And even then, she didn't want to. Certainly her fate is the most tragic of the modern Who Companions, but her story is immutably the best of the entire 8 series.

In each case, the companions were better off when the Doctor left them. Rose got her father (and ultimately her own "Doctor.") Martha achieved her goal of becoming a Doctor and saving the world. Donna actually realized she did matter and made a huge difference in the lives of innumerable people and will always be remembered for that, even if she doesn't remember it herself.

Then we come to Amy.

Amy, who married her childhood sweetheart, had a baby girl, lost her baby girl, got to know her baby girl, was left behind for 20 years on some planet and completely ignored that her husband waited for her for 2,000 years by her side and protected her because she was still angry about how she got stranded in "The Girl Who Waited," became a model, tried to leave her husband, then ultimately gave up her freedom and her own life, essentially, to be with her husband which, as I'm sure Moffat would like us all to believe, is what every loving wife should do. Though, I suppose we should be glad Amy ultimatley became a writer. At least there's that.

And now, here we are with Clara, who apart from the Impossible Girl stuff, is likely about to have her own baby. Because clearly, that's Moffat's "get out of Companion jail free" card.

So, no, I don't believe Moffat is very good with writing female characters.

What’s funniest this is how you fail to see the hypocrisy of your arguments. You deride Moffat for Amy’s ultimate ending being that she ends up with the man she loves, yet champion the fact that Rose’s ultimate ending is being presented with knock off copies of A/ her father, and B/ her boyfriend. At least Amy ended up with the genuine article (and given they’d both proven willing to give up their lives for one another how is this a terrible ending for Amy or Rory?)

Martha, ends up married to Mickey, because, well you know…she had little else to do. It even looks like she’s given up her career to be Mickey’s mercenary bitch…

Donna, only ends up better off in that she’s rich.

And of course let’s throw in Jacqui Tyler as well who, like Rose, gets to be happy be giving a knock off version of her husband back, only this time with the added benefit that he’s rich!

There you go kids, RTD’s guide to happiness, success equals being presented with faux copies of men you loved, and if you’re really lucky they’ll be rich too

Christ give me the Amy’s and Sally’s of this world over Wose any day of the week.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ Well stated!!

 

[Kelso]

It's funny to see how different people will interpret a piece of art. I've been continually pleased with Steven Moffat's strong female characters on Doctor Who and find myself wishing he would write male characters in the same way. Moffat's whoniverse is run by the ladies, with the gents awkwardly stumbling behind.

 

[Starkers]

It's funny to see how different people will interpret a piece of art. I've been continually pleased with Steven Moffat's strong female characters on Doctor Who and find myself wishing he would write male characters in the same way. Moffat's whoniverse is run by the ladies, with the gents awkwardly stumbling behind.

Yeah to be honest I've always thought Moffat wriote good female characters. I lot of the problems people have with his writing, even if I don't neccesarily agree with them, I can at understand where people are coming from, but not this.

 

[Tom]

Although, as we see in Dark Water, Missy was also interested in making out with Clara as well.

Well, to be fair, who wouldn't want to make out with Clara!

 

[EyalM]

I think Missy only tried to kiss Clara to keep up the android lie going...

 

[Marsden]

So are all Timelords inherently bi-sexual than? So we could have a male/female time-lord couple with kids etc.., then one of them changes there gender, boy would that change things in the bedroom LOL. Well, I suppose that even regenerating to a different same sex body for person in a relationship may prove interesting as well.

So I wonder if the Master would have always wanted to kiss the Doctor as a male or did that desire only just kick in when he became a she. If he then regenerated back into a man would he be able to live with himself for his previous female desires. Interesting...

I hope you know the characters I'm going to refrence, but I got the impression Missy kissing the Doctor was not sexual or about love of any kind and distinctly reminds me of how Bugs Bunny kisses Elmer Fudd on many occasions.

And one thing I just want to say, if an actor can play a part well, they should have a right to play it and not be rejected because they don't "look the part". Like James Earl Jones being Hamlet's uncle in Hamlet, is he not a good enough actor for the role, he doesn't look Danish. I'm not a casting person, of course, just someone that watches shows, but Michelle Gomez casting as the Master/Mistress seems like a good choice on her acting ability to make me think this is the same character. If it was a cold announcement, we got a woman to be the Master, I would have had doubts, just like I had doubts when the new Doctor (Matt Smith) was only 26 when they hired him, but he handled it role well and so is the new Mistress, and I'm hoping to see her more. I'd even go for a story or two from her perspective, maybe the Doctor not showing up til the end or not at all.

 

[Tom]

Moffat has been accused many times of re-using some of his earlier plot lines. We thought that he could never use anything from 'Curse of the Fatal Death', boy were we wrong! What's next the farting language, or being trapped in a sewer for 300 years. LOL

 

[Richard Baker]

If the Time Lords were a hermaphrodite species that would simplify things somewhat. We know they have two hearts but little else about their biology.
I think the Doctor tried to put the brakes on Captain Jack not because he was hitting on every sentient being he encountered out of gender uneasiness but they just did not have time to flirt with the current crises brewing.