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Mission Gamma

Shamrock Holmes

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As much as I did like parts of the Mission Gamma series, I think the idea of the Defiant, which has been portrayed as a very compact ship with little room for "extras", could be turned into a viable science vessel for a six month deployment without comprimising it's primary function a tad unlikely. In fact, given it's small crew and limited amenities by Starfleet standards, I can't see a Defiant-class undertaking a six-month mission of any sort away from established supply lines. I'd say realistically, a trip of more than a few weeks would seriously strain their limited resources? Does anyone have any thoughts for or against this idea?

Shamrock Holmes
 
As much as I liked the M:G series, and the general idea behind it, I've got to agree. Although that thought never occured to me while reading it.
 
Perhaps it's a touch unrealistic but the tough-little-ship might make for a good sensor platform with so much power available for labs/ sensor grids..?

As to the crew, I'd bet the farm that a dedicated crew of eager scientists would put up with spare amenities and a tight, wee holodeck wedged in somewhere if it allowed them access to strange, bold anomalies and the chance to study them :D If anything, could you not compare it to our own, optimistic future of cramped spaceships filled with gadgets, gizmo's and a dedicated crew out to explore the solar system, that same unfettered spirit?

Oops, didn't quite answer the thread right... take this as animated conjecture :) !
 
according to Ex Astris, the various on screen and off screen evidence for the size of the ship contradicts, it calculates The Defiant would be at least 110m long with 4 decks of 3.6m in height for each deck. For comparison, aircraft carriers are about 330m long according to wikipedia. So it's not exactly a small ship.
 
And let me tell you, ships of that size can fit a LOT of stuff. Hell, if a small amphibious assault ship can fit a lot, so can aircraft carrier.
 
I believe there was discussion in Twilight about the fact that yes, they admit it was an odd choice of mission for the Defiant. If the Gryphon can spare the time to cover for the Defiant as DS9's first line of defence, why can't it take the mission itself, considering that, as you state, the Defiant is not even vaguely designed to be a scientific exploration vessel, and extensive modifications had to be made to get it ready for the mission? The reasons are two-fold.

First: Even though the Dominion has promised not to interfere, Starfleet wants to take the necessary precautions. The Defiant has a reputation in the Gamma Quadrant - even one of indestructibility - so if the Dominion do decide to make trouble, the presence of the Defiant will show them that they're prepared to defend themselves if necessary.

Second: After all they've been through, the crew of DS9 and the Defiant deserve first shot at exploring the Gamma Quadrant. After all, that was their initial mission (along side working with Bajor), and it would be nice for them to be able to get back to it.
 
You've got a point about the reasons why Defiant did the mission rather than another ship. However, I was wondering as much as anything whether people thought that Defiant-class would be used for that type of mission normally, or would most of them be used for the type of short range missions that they seem to me to be better suited for.

Shamrock Holmes
 
well, Defiant was only away for four months. Ships like Enterprise and Voyager are said to be built for years long missions, but it's not as if Defiant was going away for years. What it comes down to is for long missions is power, and Defiant got plenty of it.
 
So, I finally finished Mission Gamma III: Cathedral, a few years after I read the first two parts. I've been out of ST lit reading for a while, but February 2011 reawakened my interest in reading all the DS9 relaunch books I've purchased over the years, but not read because I was "stuck" on Cathedral for a few years. I started the book a while ago, but it started of sooo slow for me. I just left my bookmark in it (around page 60 I think), and read other things. I've wanted to get back into the DS9 relaunch, but I had to get through Cathedral first. By devouring Bill Pronizni's Nightcrawlers (a Nameless Detective mystery) during my vacation earlier this month, February 2011 marked the reigniting of my passion for reading again and I also got back into ST lit, beyond the NF stuff I have kept up with over the years. While I have ST lit catching up to do (chronicled on other threads around here), I also have 5 Nameless Detective HCs on my shelf to read before I get caught up with his summer releasing next offering. Lost of reading in 2011 for me. :cool:

Anyhow, once I was able to get past page 120'ish of Cathedral, things started to finally pick up a bit. I have found all the Bajor/DS9 proper plots interesting. All the characters left in the Alpha Quadrant made up the most interesting parts of this novel. Ro's budding friendship/romance with a certain DS9 cast member, Taran'atar struggling with his role on DS9, Quark fearing for what happens when/if Bajor joins the Federation, etc. Kira and her story and its effects on Bajor, the Federation, and DS9 was probably the most compelling part of Cathedral.

Like with the first two Mission Gamma books, I found the Gamma Quadrant part of the book the least satisfying. While I do like Vaughn and the evolution of Ezri Dax, the other characters just don't have interesting things to do on these missions. Also, the Cathderal and the warring factions the Defiant dealt with had a, I don't know, "I read this before" kind of feel to the plot. It almost seemed that while that aspect of the Gamma mission was supposed to be the driving force of those parts of the story, the real exploration was the inner exploration of the key Defiant crew. "Mission Gamma" just seems to refer to where the Defiant is in the first 3 books, rather than the fulfill the implicit (or explicit?) promise of the Gamma Mission being the critical, compelling, driving force of the novel.

I like that both parts of the book (Alpha & Gamma Quadrants) have a lot of character exploration and movement in those terms, but the action/drama in the Alpha storyline has been far more interesting that the Gamma storylines so far.

The Alpha Quadrant ending to Cathedral was an interesting twist that leads to, I hope, a "thriller" vibe to Lesser Evil which I will start reading later today. I should be through that book quicker since its about 140 pages less than Cathedral, but also because I hear (although I have seen no specific spoilers thankfully) that the Gamma Quadrant storyline may be quite interesting (and perhaps redeem the "Mission Gamma" part this 4-part narrative for me). That said, I expect the same goodness of the first 3 books on the Alpha Quadrant side of things. I'm really interested in the respective Kira/Ro/Taran'atar developments in Lesser Evil (no spoilers please). :bolian:

And then, I'll finally be back to reading 2 books by S.D. Perry (Rising Son and Unity). Since I loved her Avatar duology, I'm really looking forward to finally getting to those 2 books.

So, what do did folks here think about the first 3 books in the Mission Gamma 4-parter? I'll share my thoughts on Part 4 / Lesser Evil when I finish it later this week.
 
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And then, I'll finally be back to reading 2 books by S.D. Perey (Rising Son and Unity). Since I loved his Avatar duology, I'm really looking forward to finally getting to those 2 books.

1) It's S.D. Perry

2) S.D. Perry is a woman. (S.D. = Stephani Danelle)
 
And then, I'll finally be back to reading 2 books by S.D. Perey (Rising Son and Unity). Since I loved his Avatar duology, I'm really looking forward to finally getting to those 2 books.

1) It's S.D. Perry

2) S.D. Perry is a woman. (S.D. = Stephani Danelle)

1) Sorry. I knew the correct spelling. Still a typo though.

2) Ah, I forget she was a she. It has been a while since I read Avatar. So, sorry S.D.!

Anyhow, both fixed. Thanks for pointed this out Defcon. Btw, is S.D. still writing Star Trek lit? I think she did 2 of the Terok Nor books, but not sure what other TNGnovelverse she's done. Is there more S.D. trek on the way? She "gets" DS9. And, Defcon, did you read the first 3 parts of Mission Gamma? If so, what did you think?
 
I remember really liking the first three MG books, Twilight was probably one of my favorite books from the whole relaunch. Sadly as interesting as the story sounded, Lesser Evil was probably my least favorite of the entire relaunch. I don't remember if there was any specific problem with it, I just remember not liking it.
 
And then, I'll finally be back to reading 2 books by S.D. Perey (Rising Son and Unity). Since I loved his Avatar duology, I'm really looking forward to finally getting to those 2 books.

1) It's S.D. Perry

2) S.D. Perry is a woman. (S.D. = Stephani Danelle)

1) Sorry. I knew the correct spelling. Still a typo though.

2) Ah, I forget she was a she. It has been a while since I read Avatar. So, sorry S.D.!

Anyhow, both fixed. Thanks for pointed this out Defcon. Btw, is S.D. still writing Star Trek lit? I think she did 2 of the Terok Nor books, but not sure what other TNGnovelverse she's done. Is there more S.D. trek on the way? She "gets" DS9. And, Defcon, did you read the first 3 parts of Mission Gamma? If so, what did you think?

First of all: Sorry if my response read ruder than intended. I was pissed off because of something else and in a foul mood.

S.D. Perry's last Trek novel so far was TOS: Inception early last year (/w Britta Dennison). Nothing else has been announced so far.

Yeah, I read Mission Gamma, but that was yeeeears ago. I remember that I thought Twilight was the strongest of the bunch with Cathedral second. I had my problems with This Grey Spirit, but it was o.k.
 
First of all: Sorry if my response read ruder than intended. I was pissed off because of something else and in a foul mood.

S.D. Perry's last Trek novel so far was TOS: Inception early last year (/w Britta Dennison). Nothing else has been announced so far.

Yeah, I read Mission Gamma, but that was yeeeears ago. I remember that I thought Twilight was the strongest of the bunch with Cathedral second. I had my problems with This Grey Spirit, but it was o.k.

No worries at all. You didn't come off as rude. I take comments online at face value as you can't read "tone" accurately.

And, yeah, Mission Gamma was a loooong time ago (almost 10 years). I am *a bit* behind. Although, I'm liking Lesser Evil (MG 4) so far. I hope to get it read pretty quickly so I can get to Rising Son and Unity by S.D. Perry. I don't read a lot of the TOS stuff, but have a handful on my shelf. As noted, the DS9 relaunch and NF dominate the ST portion of book shelf. Does anyone know if S.D. Perry has any upcoming TNGnovelverse books coming out in the future?
 
^ All the upcoming books are at Memory Alpha's Upcoming Productions page. (Just google "Memory Alpha Upcoming Productions"). We don't know any more than that.
 
Wow. I'm flying through Lesser Evil. I started yesterday and through today am half way through. I'm on page 140 of a 266 page book. At this rate, I should finish this tomorrow through my morning and evening commutes, and if needed some time tomorrow evening. I really think that so far this is my fave of the 4 Gamma books. It certainly pulled me in more quickly than the others. I know some people here didn't like this book so, I hope, Lesser Evil doesn't gone down from page 140.
 
I think Lesser Evil was criticised for being too fast, if I recall, in comparison to the prior MG volumes. Rushing through the story too quickly without any of the in-depth analysis or introspection of the others. On the other hand, it is at this point in the series where the story has to be fast. That's simply the structure of a continuing narrative - it has to accelerate and climax at the end or else it's considered boring. So it's swings and roundabouts really.

And there's at least one particular moment which - had it been a TV episode - would have caused jaws to drop across the country.
 
I think Lesser Evil was criticised for being too fast, if I recall, in comparison to the prior MG volumes. Rushing through the story too quickly without any of the in-depth analysis or introspection of the others. On the other hand, it is at this point in the series where the story has to be fast. That's simply the structure of a continuing narrative - it has to accelerate and climax at the end or else it's considered boring. So it's swings and roundabouts really.

And there's at least one particular moment which - had it been a TV episode - would have caused jaws to drop across the country.

There has to be a happy medium, b/c I thought the previous 3 books were at least 50-60 pages too long. The start up in each of the first 3 Gamma books was very slow, not analytical, more pronounced in Mission Gamma 2 and 3. What I would say is that I don't mind a 400 page book as long as its all evenly paced and engaging. I do agree that Lesser Evil is super fast paced, but I like that here probably b/c of how the last 3 at points felt like they were plodding. I think, typically, a 325-350 page novel seems to me to have kind of a happy medium between more story than you need versus not enough.

Also, I was chuckling when I saw that the price for the 400 page Cathedral (Gamma 3) was the same price as the 266 page Lesser Evil (Gamma 4).
 
Also, I was chuckling when I saw that the price for the 400 page Cathedral (Gamma 3) was the same price as the 266 page Lesser Evil (Gamma 4).

Marco once intimated that he sold his soul to the devil to get the finance people to keep the cover price of those first three MG novels to the RRP of regular MMPB ST novels. We got a real bargain with MG.
 
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