There are always the novels, short stories, comics fan productions and video games: many of these have been addressed.
Missed Opportunities That Need Rectified...
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There are always the novels, short stories, comics fan productions and video games: many of these have been addressed.
I was referring to in live action.
I watched Firstborn the other day... I realized (again) what ever happens to K'mtar after he returns from the future?? Alexander has changed the timeline, but what happens to his older self as there is no mention if he returns to the future? Does he disappear because his future is now completely re-written??
If K'mtar stays in this timeline, it'd be interesting to see what he did with his time...
If K'mtar stays in this timeline, it'd be interesting to see what he did with his time...
Probably the same thing as in South Park's My future self 'n me. Started living together with Worf and Alexander; and Worf used him as an example for Alexander how not to grow up. It's a thankless job but somebody has to do it, after all.
Even so, I'm still not sure it worked out well, see DS9's Sons and Daughters.
This is your brain... this is your brain on drugs.... any questions???
Dang, a follow-up to the Anarans and Brecchians - if handled right - might be interesting. The thing with season 1 TNG is that they often had good ideas, piled under a lot of superficial fluff, due in part possibly to get around 1987 censorship*. "Haven" is one of the better examples, with the Tarellians' backstory being downright worthy of a horror story.
* and I'll admit it's not easy to fathom any underlying subtext that the writers wanted to convey but couldn't thanks to censors and hope the audience would think of things on their own with some creativity, or where/if they were being shallow...
This is a bit of the "opposite" of how most would assume you deal with a "missed opportunity," in that most people look at dealing with "missed opportunities" by needing more...but I'm going to propose that there's a "needed less" solution in the franchise.
A lot of these suggestions are "we need more of this" or "we needed to expand that" and it gets to the point where we start talking about needing a Michael Eddington series or a movie about Mr. Leslie and things like that.....which is obviously a bit ridiculous.
I think that one of the biggest missed opportunities is not leaving the Borg shrouded in mystery. I think the Borg were much more fascinating as a cold, unknown, unknowable force. Once we introduce the concept of a Queen who is basically a hammy, scenery-chewing villain, they became just another sci-fi antagonist.
A lot of these suggestions are "we need more of this" or "we needed to expand that" and it gets to the point where we start talking about needing a Michael Eddington series or a movie about Mr. Leslie and things like that.....which is obviously a bit ridiculous.
I think that one of the biggest missed opportunities is not leaving the Borg shrouded in mystery. I think the Borg were much more fascinating as a cold, unknown, unknowable force. Once we introduce the concept of a Queen who is basically a hammy, scenery-chewing villain, they became just another sci-fi antagonist.
Agreed that the Borg were a 'better' threat without the queen and as a near-invincible enemy that you can't just steal transwarp conduits from whenever you feel like it, but it also means the number and type of stories you can tell featuring them will probably be quite limited. So I suppose that it's essentially a quality/quantity choice.
Oh, I absolutely agree with "Descent" and VOY. "Descent" is a terrible episode, made worse by the fact that it's a 2-part season-bridging cliffhanger (the last of it's kind on TNG), and it was still horrible. VOY is a mixed bag, because the inclusion of Seven of Nine was obviously a fantastic move...but having the Borg show up as often as they did...making them feel more like "just another antagonist" and not something special was a big mistake.
I can forgive Star Trek: First Contact because it is a really good movie, and I understand why they did what they did. I think it would have been a lot better, though, if that was the first and last time the audience actually saw the Borg Queen.
As for PIC, it's a mixed bag. I love Alison Pill hamming it up as a sultry, manipulative villain...but at this point, the Borg Queen is about as over-played as Klingon Warriors or spatial anomalies within the franchise. It's a concept that needed to be laid to rest...and unfortunately PIC S2 tripled-down on it.
Agreed, and I think the answer is that "less would have been more" as far as the Borg are concerned. We didn't need to see as much of them as we have....and keeping them special and mysterious with less-frequent appearances would have been better.
I still mostly enjoy when we've seen various Treks deal with the aftermath of being in the Collective. Just the battles with the Borg should've been limited.
But I suppose it was inevitable former drones would eventually help the Federation defeat them.
All things being equal, Voyager might have escaped the Borg once, perhaps twice in the DQ, but after that it'd inevitably have been assimilated.
My headcanon for their unlikely string of successes is that 7 helped them out immensely, with lots of information about the Borg hidden weaknesses to be exploited.
My headcanon for their unlikely string of successes is that 7 helped them out immensely, with lots of information about the Borg hidden weaknesses to be exploited.
Even with Seven's help, it was ludicrous Voyager got away with as much as they did.
Steal a transwarp conduit.
Break into a tactical cube.
Have 3 crewmembers be assimilated, but not really.
Really, VOYAGER? Really?
Steal a transwarp conduit.
Break into a tactical cube.
Have 3 crewmembers be assimilated, but not really.
Really, VOYAGER? Really?
That was the worst part, they turned what in Best of Both Worlds, First Contact and even much of Voyager, was the most horrifying part of the Borg into "gotta get myself assimilated to break into de Berg, BBS!"
And then they had the Borg Queen, in her stupid villain lair, *toy* with Janeway rather than just assimilating her for good like she should have done. It was a prime example of the laws of the fictional universe being bent so the heroes can win.
In general the Borg Queen's villain lair was awful in general. And by Season 7 it seemed like Janeway could just walk into it and slap the Borg Queen and then get away unscathed whenever she felt like it.
There could have been a lot Voyager could have done with the original depiction of the Borg. But really, as soon as FC introduced the Queen (as much as she might have worked in that movie) the Borg were eliminated as this unfeeling, mysterious, terrifying menace.
They understood it. They just didn't like the character or the actor and punished both accordingly.
Picard has appeared to try and recognize the horror of assimilation by the Borg. I loathe the Borg but Picard tried.
Voyager made it just so untenable.
I haven't thought about that one in a long long time. I wonder what part Amanda played in the "Q & the Grey" internal civil war....?? Good call...
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