Military Tribunal or Criminal Court?

[Squiggy]

Just another "isolated extremist" as the President likes to refer to them?

Like the DC sniper, Fort Dix attack, Trans-Atlantic bombing attempt, yada yada yada.

And some videographer at NASA named, "Squiggy Cunningham"

I WILL MAKE THE UNITED STATES DOGS PAY FOR CENSORING MY ASS!

 

[John Picard]

Like the DC sniper, Fort Dix attack, Trans-Atlantic bombing attempt, yada yada yada.

And some videographer at NASA named, "Squiggy Cunningham"

I WILL MAKE THE UNITED STATES DOGS PAY FOR CENSORING MY ASS!

Further proof that you hate America.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Do you count the DC sniper as a terrorist too?

How about a generic murderer? Oh, hey, you're admittedly opposed to the President - do you consider yourself a terrorist? After all, you're one of those who is "against us"...

I'm against many of his policies. I have no problem with him personally.

So you think terrorists have personal grudges against each one of their victims? You're "against us" (as he is the lawfully elected leader of the United States of America, of which I am a citizen), so by your logic, you must consider yourself a terrorist. Shame on you.

I would not like to kill the President. Just many of his initiatives. If that makes me a terrorist I gladly accept the title.

*By the way, I'll be posting in TNG momentarily. See you over there. *

 

[Misfit Toy]

I'm against many of his policies. I have no problem with him personally.

So you think terrorists have personal grudges against each one of their victims? You're "against us" (as he is the lawfully elected leader of the United States of America, of which I am a citizen), so by your logic, you must consider yourself a terrorist. Shame on you.

I would not like to kill the President. Just many of his initiatives. If that makes me a terrorist I gladly accept the title.

*By the way, I'll be posting in TNG momentarily. See you over there. *

Stop with the suggestion that I'm trolling you by following you around the board. I post in several Misc threads, as I have mentioned to you repeatedly. Stop trying to deflect from the issue of your warped "with us or against us" logic.

You're the who raised that as your standard. As I've said - you should be ashamed of such a limited (read narrow) ability to reason. OR, you're just playing around, which is, I believe, far closer to the truth.

 

[ST-One]

So you think terrorists have personal grudges against each one of their victims? You're "against us" (as he is the lawfully elected leader of the United States of America, of which I am a citizen), so by your logic, you must consider yourself a terrorist. Shame on you.

I would not like to kill the President. Just many of his initiatives. If that makes me a terrorist I gladly accept the title.

*By the way, I'll be posting in TNG momentarily. See you over there. *

Stop with the suggestion that I'm trolling you by following you around the board. I post in several Misc threads, as I have mentioned to you repeatedly. Stop trying to deflect from the issue of your warped "with us or against us" logic.

You really shouldn't justify yourself for you posting-patterns. Especially not to someone who puts you (generic) on 'ignore' but sends you PMs anyway.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

So you think terrorists have personal grudges against each one of their victims? You're "against us" (as he is the lawfully elected leader of the United States of America, of which I am a citizen), so by your logic, you must consider yourself a terrorist. Shame on you.

I would not like to kill the President. Just many of his initiatives. If that makes me a terrorist I gladly accept the title.

*By the way, I'll be posting in TNG momentarily. See you over there. *

Stop with the suggestion that I'm trolling you by following you around the board. I post in several Misc threads, as I have mentioned to you repeatedly. Stop trying to deflect from the issue of your warped "with us or against us" logic.

You're the who raised that as your standard. As I've said - you should be ashamed of such a limited (read narrow) ability to reason. OR, you're just playing around, which is, I believe, far closer to the truth.

There is nothing wrong with "with us or against us". It is accurate. At least it was accurate until we started apologizing to the world for stamping out terrorists. That's the real shame.

And I won't mention your posting habits here again.

 

[John Picard]

I would not like to kill the President. Just many of his initiatives. If that makes me a terrorist I gladly accept the title.

*By the way, I'll be posting in TNG momentarily. See you over there. *

Stop with the suggestion that I'm trolling you by following you around the board. I post in several Misc threads, as I have mentioned to you repeatedly. Stop trying to deflect from the issue of your warped "with us or against us" logic.

You're the who raised that as your standard. As I've said - you should be ashamed of such a limited (read narrow) ability to reason. OR, you're just playing around, which is, I believe, far closer to the truth.

There is nothing wrong with "with us or against us".

I beg to differ. It projects an air of smug superiority, egotism, and a self-serving attitude. It leaves zero room for any margin of error or possible latitude toward other solutions. In short, "with us or against us" is a great way to alienate both current and potential allies.

 

[SeerSGB]

Stop with the suggestion that I'm trolling you by following you around the board. I post in several Misc threads, as I have mentioned to you repeatedly. Stop trying to deflect from the issue of your warped "with us or against us" logic.

You're the who raised that as your standard. As I've said - you should be ashamed of such a limited (read narrow) ability to reason. OR, you're just playing around, which is, I believe, far closer to the truth.

There is nothing wrong with "with us or against us".

I beg to differ. It projects an air of smug superiority, egotism, and a self-serving attitude. It leaves zero room for any margin of error or possible latitude toward other solutions. In short, "with us or against us" is a great way to alienate both current and potential allies.

Previously, it's an extremely black and white attitude to a complex issue that touches on more than just religion or nationality.

After all, where's the line in the sand?

A medic that saves the life of a terrorist/enemy combatant, is that person against "Us" even though he's doing nothing more than his job: saving lives. Or is it the nation that funnels money or allows people to funnel money into terrorist groups (Saudi I'm looking at you)?

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Stop with the suggestion that I'm trolling you by following you around the board. I post in several Misc threads, as I have mentioned to you repeatedly. Stop trying to deflect from the issue of your warped "with us or against us" logic.

You're the who raised that as your standard. As I've said - you should be ashamed of such a limited (read narrow) ability to reason. OR, you're just playing around, which is, I believe, far closer to the truth.

There is nothing wrong with "with us or against us".

I beg to differ. It projects an air of smug superiority, egotism, and a self-serving attitude. It leaves zero room for any margin of error or possible latitude toward other solutions. In short, "with us or against us" is a great way to alienate both current and potential allies.

Some nations are indeed better than others. Some nations are the type others wish to come to because of the principles on which they are founded or wish their own country had. I see nothing wrong with being honest about this. In life, not everyone and not every country can, is, or should be equal in every regard.

 

[John Picard]

There is nothing wrong with "with us or against us".

I beg to differ. It projects an air of smug superiority, egotism, and a self-serving attitude. It leaves zero room for any margin of error or possible latitude toward other solutions. In short, "with us or against us" is a great way to alienate both current and potential allies.

Some nations are indeed better than others. Some nations are the type others wish to come to because of the principles on which they are founded or wish their own country had. I see nothing wrong with being honest about this. In life, not everyone and not every country can, is, or should be equal in every regard.

You lost me on that one; however, I'm going to go out on a limb here and ASSume {{shudder}} that you believe the United States is the best nation/country to ever exist. Am I correct? If I am, then I believe you are terribly wrong. I can find much fault in this country, both past and present -- enough of which is pushing me to want to expatriate at retirement. I'd do it sooner if my circumstances would allow.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

I beg to differ. It projects an air of smug superiority, egotism, and a self-serving attitude. It leaves zero room for any margin of error or possible latitude toward other solutions. In short, "with us or against us" is a great way to alienate both current and potential allies.

Some nations are indeed better than others. Some nations are the type others wish to come to because of the principles on which they are founded or wish their own country had. I see nothing wrong with being honest about this. In life, not everyone and not every country can, is, or should be equal in every regard.

You lost me on that one; however, I'm going to go out on a limb here and ASSume {{shudder}} that you believe the United States is the best nation/country to ever exist. Am I correct? If I am, then I believe you are terribly wrong. I can find much fault in this country, both past and present -- enough of which is pushing me to want to expatriate at retirement. I'd do it sooner if my circumstances would allow.

This country certainly is not for everyone. And there are many, MANY things wrong with it. Nevertheless, I do indeed believe it's the greatest country in the world presently. And I don't even think it's close.

 

[Garak]

There is nothing wrong with "with us or against us".

I beg to differ. It projects an air of smug superiority, egotism, and a self-serving attitude. It leaves zero room for any margin of error or possible latitude toward other solutions. In short, "with us or against us" is a great way to alienate both current and potential allies.

Some nations are indeed better than others. Some nations are the type others wish to come to because of the principles on which they are founded or wish their own country had. I see nothing wrong with being honest about this. In life, not everyone and not every country can, is, or should be equal in every regard.

Yeah, Canada is pretty sweet. You couldn't possibly be talking about America, unless you consider being broke and the ability to eat a Big Mac in two bites something to be proud of.

 

[SeerSGB]

Some nations are indeed better than others. Some nations are the type others wish to come to because of the principles on which they are founded or wish their own country had. I see nothing wrong with being honest about this. In life, not everyone and not every country can, is, or should be equal in every regard.

You lost me on that one; however, I'm going to go out on a limb here and ASSume {{shudder}} that you believe the United States is the best nation/country to ever exist. Am I correct? If I am, then I believe you are terribly wrong. I can find much fault in this country, both past and present -- enough of which is pushing me to want to expatriate at retirement. I'd do it sooner if my circumstances would allow.

This country certainly is not for everyone. And there are many, MANY things wrong with it. Nevertheless, I do indeed believe it's the greatest country in the world presently. And I don't even think it's close.

Which is exactly what the other side thinks about their countries. Which one is right? Both...neither...

It's all just a matter of subjective POV and cultural upbringing.

Yeah, Canada is pretty sweet. You couldn't possibly be talking about America, unless you consider being broke and the ability to eat a Big Mac in two bites something to be proud of.

Don't forget dying from lack of medical care due to lack of medical insurance...or ending on the street, broke, after a heart attack takes all your money and you can't pay your mortgage or credit card payments.

God bless America...

 

[TheLonelySquire]

You lost me on that one; however, I'm going to go out on a limb here and ASSume {{shudder}} that you believe the United States is the best nation/country to ever exist. Am I correct? If I am, then I believe you are terribly wrong. I can find much fault in this country, both past and present -- enough of which is pushing me to want to expatriate at retirement. I'd do it sooner if my circumstances would allow.

This country certainly is not for everyone. And there are many, MANY things wrong with it. Nevertheless, I do indeed believe it's the greatest country in the world presently. And I don't even think it's close.

Which is exactly what the other side thinks about their countries. Which one is right? Both...neither...

It's all just a matter of subjective POV and cultural upbringing.

And that's great. I'm not telling anyone else what to think.

As far as ending up on the street, real health reform, personal responsibility and financial planning would certainly help this problem.

 

[SeerSGB]

This country certainly is not for everyone. And there are many, MANY things wrong with it. Nevertheless, I do indeed believe it's the greatest country in the world presently. And I don't even think it's close.

Which is exactly what the other side thinks about their countries. Which one is right? Both...neither...

It's all just a matter of subjective POV and cultural upbringing.

And that's great. I'm not telling anyone else what to think.

As far as ending up on the street, real health reform, personal responsibility and financial planning would certainly help this problem.

Except for the fact that is what the US does when it "spreads democracy": force our culture, our govt. onto other nations.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

I beg to differ. It projects an air of smug superiority, egotism, and a self-serving attitude. It leaves zero room for any margin of error or possible latitude toward other solutions. In short, "with us or against us" is a great way to alienate both current and potential allies.

Some nations are indeed better than others. Some nations are the type others wish to come to because of the principles on which they are founded or wish their own country had. I see nothing wrong with being honest about this. In life, not everyone and not every country can, is, or should be equal in every regard.

Yeah, Canada is pretty sweet. You couldn't possibly be talking about America, unless you consider being broke and the ability to eat a Big Mac in two bites something to be proud of.

Well, the Great White North gave is Shatner AND Doug and Bob, so you may be right after all. Take off, eh!

 

[John Picard]

Which is exactly what the other side thinks about their countries. Which one is right? Both...neither...

It's all just a matter of subjective POV and cultural upbringing.

And that's great. I'm not telling anyone else what to think.

As far as ending up on the street, real health reform, personal responsibility and financial planning would certainly help this problem.

Except for the fact that is what the US does when it "spreads democracy": force our culture, our govt. onto other nations.

I agree with this and have thought that way for years. The US would criticize the USSR for spreading their version of Communism, but we would spread Democracy. WTF is wrong with this picture?

As far as mortgages, credit cars, and all that. Sorry, but that boils down to personal responsibility. Now, there are articles coming out about how home ownership isn't such a great "investment". People here crucified me for that very statement two years ago -- I wonder if those same people would do that today? I don't have credit cards either, and all of a sudden, people who crucified me for that are now the ones who can't wait to be rid of them.

People are idiots.

 

[SeerSGB]

And that's great. I'm not telling anyone else what to think.

As far as ending up on the street, real health reform, personal responsibility and financial planning would certainly help this problem.

Except for the fact that is what the US does when it "spreads democracy": force our culture, our govt. onto other nations.

I agree with this and have thought that way for years. The US would criticize the USSR for spreading their version of Communism, but we would spread Democracy. WTF is wrong with this picture?

As far as mortgages, credit cars, and all that. Sorry, but that boils down to personal responsibility. Now, there are articles coming out about how home ownership isn't such a great "investment". People here crucified me for that very statement two years ago -- I wonder if those same people would do that today? I don't have credit cards either, and all of a sudden, people who crucified me for that are now the ones who can't wait to be rid of them.

People are idiots.

Granted there are people that dig their own [metaphorical] grave. But you have as many people that do it all right, are responsible, and all it takes is one bad health problem, one layoff, one bit of legal trouble, that ends up wiping all that hard work out with the gavel of a judge or the call of a bill collector.

On the flip side: I've always said that owning a home is not something everyone should go, nor are entitled too. Renting is a perfectly valid option and the best option for most. But American culture (such as it is) drove the concept of "home ownership is a must, everyone MUST own their own house" in the minds of the populace for decades. Then on top of that was 80s/90s concept of your house is a credit card, just take out credit lines and mortgages against the equity and spend, spend, SPEND.

 

[John Picard]

Except for the fact that is what the US does when it "spreads democracy": force our culture, our govt. onto other nations.

I agree with this and have thought that way for years. The US would criticize the USSR for spreading their version of Communism, but we would spread Democracy. WTF is wrong with this picture?

As far as mortgages, credit cars, and all that. Sorry, but that boils down to personal responsibility. Now, there are articles coming out about how home ownership isn't such a great "investment". People here crucified me for that very statement two years ago -- I wonder if those same people would do that today? I don't have credit cards either, and all of a sudden, people who crucified me for that are now the ones who can't wait to be rid of them.

People are idiots.

Granted there are people that dig their own [metaphorical] grave. But you have as many people that do it all right, are responsible, and all it takes is one bad health problem, one layoff, one bit of legal trouble, that ends up wiping all that hard work out with the gavel of a judge or the call of a bill collector.

Yep, yep, yep. I argued that, but it's a case of The And and the Grasshopper syndrome. In good times, people think they'll never end and pooh-pooh those of us who are thrifty. When the bottom falls out, they cry, piss, and moan for sympathy.

On the flip side: I've always said that owning a home is not something everyone should go, nor are entitled too. Renting is a perfectly valid option and the best option for most. But American culture (such as it is) drove the concept of "home ownership is a must, everyone MUST own their own house" in the minds of the populace for decades. Then on top of that was 80s/90s concept of your house is a credit card, just take out credit lines and mortgages against the equity and spend, spend, SPEND.

Funny, Americans have more *stuff* yet are not the happiest in the world. The one-upmanship, bigger is better, and all that really suckers people. I have a house on 10 acres, which I didn't want but the then-wife did. We're divorced and I'm contemplating a condo. No maintenance and more freedom with my cash.

 

[Squiggy]

I'm going to start going all Madbaggins on your ass.

There is nothing wrong with "with us or against us".

There is to some...those who care what others think. If you're arrogant enough to consider what you beleive to be the end all be all of human thought then yeah...there's nothing wrong with it. Who cares if you piss off our longest ally?

It is accurate. At least it was accurate until we started apologizing to the world for stamping out terrorists. That's the real shame.

No, the real shame is what we didn't stamp out anyone. We've made more. We got so pissed off that someone gave us a black eye that we drove to their house, set it on fire, raped their mother, and pissed on their dog. So the greatest country in the world can't handle a little attack without blindly lashing out and going all Barbarossa on 1/6 of the world's population? Pretty fucking stupid way of looking at things.

And he hasn't apologized for anything. You seem to be believing Rudy "9/11 didn't happen under Bush's watch" Guliani whenever he says that "Obama didn't use the word "war" once" or moronic shit like that. Of course, that's no surprise. The real kool-aid drinkers lap up whatever they're given without doing any research into if it's actually right or not.

Guess what that makes you!