I did not serve in a military but my understanding from those that have is that this is very much not the case.
Middle-Easterners in "Discovery"
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You're probably confusing Religious diversity with Cultural diversity.
Have you served in the military? I haven't, but from everything my Dad and various other members of my family have told me, diversity isn't a problem.
Again, you're confusing Religious diversity with Cultural diversity.
No. I'm not. Thanks for playing.
But, you know, try using your imagination for once. I believe that Starfleet is the military. Though it is unlike any military we've ever seen and exists three-hundred years in the future. It is a military of not only humans, but dozens of other races. Not everyone can check their "culture" at the door.
Nope.
Any military can only be as culturally diverse as the political/geographical body it represents. And "culture" is a pretty vague concept that consists of a verity of habits and idiosyncrasies from which sports/teams people fallow to what they do and don't like to eat to what they do in the head. Suggesting a black kid from Queens, a Hispanic kid from, and a white kid from Omaha all go about their shipboard business (on or off duty) exactly the same is ridiculous. The one exception might be submariners as their life is pretty heavily regulated. But it's a safe bet that starship life would be nothing like that.
Also, since when were religion and culture mutually exclusive?
Also, since when were religion and culture mutually exclusive?
Culture is a social construct, so yes everyone can check their "culture" at the door to no determent.
Yup!
Have you served in the military?
And, you realize religion is a social construct as well?
Well not in Starfleet. Worf's baldric, Ro's earring, Picard's Shakespearean quotes and French bon mots, Kirk's proselytising about the US Constitution, Sisko's baseball and Creole cooking, Scotty's tartan and whiskey, and Chakotay's made up bollocks beg to differ.
Yes, they can/could, but the majority in the military do not.
As Serveaux said:
"Nope!"
But religion is a legally protected social construct, so they can't tell people to leave it at the door like they can cultural stuff.
Ro was forced to remove her earring till she got an exemption from Captain Picard, and Worf would have had to get the same for his baldric. (Also the earring is religious.)
There is no culture that involves making Shakespeare quotes.
Sisko's baseball was a gift from a race of godlike aliens and had absolutely nothing to do with his culture.
And Chakotay wasn't actually a member of Starfleet, a fact you seem to have forgotten.
Literature is certainly part of culture, and while not everybody in English-speaking countries go around spouting Shakespeare, it certainly isn't surprising to encounter Shakespearean quotations or references to Shakespearean characters in various contexts.. whereas, in non-English speaking cultures in which Shakespeare is not commonly read, such references would have no significance whatsoever.
And if Sisko came from England, it would have been a cricket ball.
He was serving as an officer (provisionally) on a Starfleet vessel and therefore had to observe the rules and regulations.
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@Fateor
You keep avoiding this question:
You keep avoiding this question:
So, have you ever served in the military? Can you actually argue from a place of experience that culture is left at the door when one is in the military?
So? You said:
Well that's not invisible, is it? Two bridge crew openly display cultural symbols. Worf was allowed to murder someone in revenge because his culture allowed it.
Shakespeare isn't culture? Ok. Bit disappointing, he's pretty much the only writer Star Trek seems to know.
His love of baseball, not his actual physical baseball, but as you mention it, he did have a baseball prominently displayed on his work desk for 7 years. Which came about because he chose to demonstrate the linear progression life through baseball. No American cultural associations there at all!
Well his favorite player did play for London, so...
Some of our favorite Shakespearean actors are Canadian.
(Not that one, the other one. Unless you meant the other one in which case the other other one.)
Keanu Reeves?Some of our favorite Shakespearean actors are Canadian.
^^^
But only when on duty. Off duty she could wear whatever she likes. If you're expecting everything to be allowable - hell, that's not the case even in Civilian life in that most workplaces have a dress code that employees must adhere to when at work. That doesn't destroy of affect what they do or believe in their off time.
Spock and Uhura's quarters for one thing, heavily adorned with everything they could bring, expressing their cultural and spiritual identity. The TOS movies, Spock continued to own a lot of Vulcan spiritual items, arranged carefully.
He and Worf always made sure to bring their tea services along.
He and Worf always made sure to bring their tea services along.
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