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Johnson wanted to get away from the lowbrow action of other comic-book shows, and now we have the Hulk fighting a guy in a cheap gorilla suit.
You said it. At least they didn't make the gorilla too much of a focus of the episode.

Also, Dr. Baxter isn't a very perceptive scientist, is she? Here comes this guy named David Bradburn who's inexplicably a scientific genius and is intimately familiar with the work of Dr. David Banner, and she never seems to notice the similarity.
Am I correct in remembering that in another episode in which Banner is referenced by a guest star, it was said that he had a beard when said guest had seen him? That would help to explain scientific peers not recognizing his face, I guess, to the extent that it would have been out there in the first place.

Plus, she gets a good look at the zoo logo on the Hulk's torn shirt when he's carrying her, but she doesn't seem to make the connection. This is the first time, I think, that the Hulk kept his shirt on throughout, and it was a poor time to start.
That I didn't notice! I'm willing to suspend a certain amount of disbelief when people automatically assume that David must have been scared off by the creature and whatnot, but having his tattered clothes be so recognizable is pushing things.
 
"The Beast Within" is the first aired episode not to be written by Kenneth Johnson, and is the debut of the series' longtime writing/producing duo Karen Harris and Jill Sherman (now known as Jill Sherman Donner, after marrying actor Robert Donner, whom she met as a guest star on this show). And it's admittedly not very impressive. Johnson wanted to get away from the lowbrow action of other comic-book shows, and now we have the Hulk fighting a guy in a cheap gorilla suit. It's undermined by the fakeness of the gorilla, and by its annoying habit of referring to baby chimps as monkeys (which is pretty much tantamount to calling a bear cub a badger, taxonomically speaking). An actual vet would not make that mistake.
The gorilla suit was pretty bad, but that seems pretty normal for these kinds of show. I have to wonder if a real gorilla would know enough to use all of the stuff he was using in the fight.
The monkey thing drove me crazy. I can excuse it when it's average people who don't know any better, but there is no way veterinarians and scientists who work at a zoo would make that kind of mistake.
 
Yeah, when he picked up that little file box, I was thinking, "Look, he's using tools!"

and if they just fed them to them, then all they'd have to do is wait for them to crap them out.
I'd think that there'd have been plenty of time for that to happen sometime during the journey from South Africa, so it would have to be the other thing.
 
Plus, she gets a good look at the zoo logo on the Hulk's torn shirt when he's carrying her, but she doesn't seem to make the connection. This is the first time, I think, that the Hulk kept his shirt on throughout, and it was a poor time to start.
That I didn't notice! I'm willing to suspend a certain amount of disbelief when people automatically assume that David must have been scared off by the creature and whatnot, but having his tattered clothes be so recognizable is pushing things.
I did notice the zoo logo, but I wasn't watching for how visible it was for the other characters.

Also noticed that David had a fairly distinctive uniform belt that the Hulk (— surprise!) wasn't wearing. I guess the belt turned out to be less durable than his pants.

How do you think he explained having to requisition a new uniform?

The mass of a single paper clip is equivalent to a bit more energy than was released in the bombing of Nagasaki. The amount of energy necessary to convert into hundreds of kilograms of mass would be hundreds of thousands of times greater. The Hulk would blow up an entire city every time he changed back to Banner. And there's no way the medical device David used to expose himself to gamma could possibly have dosed him with more energy than a multi-megaton nuclear bomb.

And there's no way that the mass could be "stored inside" in the form of energy. It's the other way around -- all that energy is stored in the form of mass.
Maybe David weighs a lot more than he should? :biggrin:
 
and by its annoying habit of referring to baby chimps as monkeys (which is pretty much tantamount to calling a bear cub a badger, taxonomically speaking). An actual vet would not make that mistake.

However, it was and remains common for the audience to refer to apes as "monkeys" no matter how incorrect. Its so common that in fiction, it was used to illustrate the term being common to humans...yet a racial insult to none other than chimpanzee Cornelius when "E-1" (Jason Evers) said, "You're all monkeys!" in Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971).

Also, Dr. Baxter isn't a very perceptive scientist, is she? Here comes this guy named David Bradburn who's inexplicably a scientific genius and is intimately familiar with the work of Dr. David Banner, and she never seems to notice the similarity.

Similarity in his knowledge or appearance?

If you meant appearance, one can be very familiar with the work of a doctor, but never set eyes on a photo, etc. Unlike today, where you can easily access photos of doctors--ranging from staff photos to personal images online, the world of 1978 was not so accommodating. Heck, even in the pilot, the National Register's infamous "Hulk Kills Two" screaming front page headline didn't include photos of the victims. If staff photos were not available for a story on the sensational death of 2 scientists, perhaps it can be suggested Banner's work might have been known, but not the man.



The villainous Carl, Richard Kelton, has no other superhero-show credits, but he played the Spock-parody character Ficus in the sci-fi sitcom Quark.

Oh, man. Quark was the worst!!! I remember thinking, "poor Richard Benjamin, he goes from Goodbye, Columbus & Westworld to this?"

While watching this, it occurred to me to wonder: Why was it so common in the '70s to think that showing action in slow motion made it more dynamic? By modern standards, it seems kind of sluggish. I think it pretty much started with The Six Million Dollar Man, when they figured out that speeding up the film looked silly so they had to paradoxically show superspeed through slow motion instead, but it seemed to catch on elsewhere. Granted, Kenneth Johnson probably picked it up from his prior work on 6M$M and The Bionic Woman, but I think its use extended to other shows of the era as well, including Wonder Woman sometimes.

...and some episodes of Shazam! It never made sense with someone supposedly moving fast, but it sort of made sense when a hero was lifting something heavy, since it added the appearance of weight / struggle, which in real time, would not play with props made from light materials.
 
I thought I was the only one who remembered Quark. Anytime I mention it I get blank stares from whoever I'm talking to.
 
Similarity in his knowledge or appearance?

David Banner. David Bradburn. That similarity. Along with the fact that they're both expert in the same field.


Oh, man. Quark was the worst!!! I remember thinking, "poor Richard Benjamin, he goes from Goodbye, Columbus & Westworld to this?"

It was the first thing I ever saw him in, I think. I was still fairly young then. I have a nostalgic fondness for Quark, though I admit it was... uneven.
 
I finally remembered something I've been meaning to ask for months now. Where does the whole thing with Superman running into a phonebooth to change come from? I had thought it came from the George Reeves series, but I think I've seen all or most of the episodes, and he never did it in any of them.
 
I finally remembered something I've been meaning to ask for months now. Where does the whole thing with Superman running into a phonebooth to change come from? I had thought it came from the George Reeves series, but I think I've seen all or most of the episodes, and he never did it in any of them.

It was first seen in the Fleischer cartoon short "The Mechanical Monsters" in 1941, and then in a newspaper strip and a second short in '42. Beyond that, it was pretty rare. Here are a couple of articles on the subject:
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/other/other.php?topic=phonebooth
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2011/07/22/comic-book-legends-revealed-324/

So Superman changing in a phone booth is one of those things that become a pop-culture trademark of a character despite actually being used very rarely, like Professor Moriarty for Sherlock Holmes.
 
I finally remembered something I've been meaning to ask for months now. Where does the whole thing with Superman running into a phonebooth to change come from? I had thought it came from the George Reeves series, but I think I've seen all or most of the episodes, and he never did it in any of them.

The funny thing about that is it was something that rarely happened. Somehow it became associated with him as if it were a regular thing. It's almost like certain actors being associated with lines they never actually said (Humphrey Bogart never said "Play it again Sam" and Cary Grant never said "Judy, Judy, Judy" but those are the lines almost everyone says when trying to impersonate the two actors) It showed up a few times here and there over the years, but not on any regular basis.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/other/other.php?topic=phonebooth

ETA: Christopher types faster than I do. :hugegrin:
 
Not to mention "beam me up Scotty".

Although Kirk did say "Beam us up, Scotty" twice in the animated series and "Scotty, beam me up" in The Voyage Home. Plus "Have Scotty beam us up," "Scotty, beam us up fast," and "Prepare to beam us up, Mister Scott" in TOS.

But the Superman phone-booth thing isn't one of those things that was never in the canon like "Elementary, my dear Watson" -- more something that happened only once or twice and got disproportionately famous, like Professor Moriarty as Holmes's nemesis, or Hank "Ant-Man" Pym hitting his wife.
 
The Incredible Hulk
"Of Guilt, Models and Murder"
Originally aired Mar. 24, 1978

Here we have a rare and early example of the show breaking the formula that it had at this point barely established, with David transforming back from his first Hulk-Out as the episode starts...and the details of that Hulk-Out being told primarily through the flashback stories of unreliable narrators. I don't know if it really counts in an example like this, but FWIW, we see the Hulk-Out via David's POV flashback at -43:26.

It seems unusual that David would be transforming back while still in the house...his alter ego's usual M.O. is to bust out of closed spaces and run off when his job is done...but the plot depends on David seeing the evidence of what he fears may have been the creature's actions.

David literally can't walk down the street without getting involved in people's problems...and why the hell was he hoofing through Beverly Hills anyway...? Whatever that's about, the episode serves as a nice early opportunity to refresh the audience on what was established in the pilot about how the creature doesn't kill.

In the classic comics, the Hulk had a homing instinct that always brought him leaping back to New Mexico from all corners of the globe. On the show, David has a homing instinct that always brings him back to where he left his duffel bag--He can't lose that duffel bag!

This episode makes use of the time-honored trope of somebody watching the news on a TV in a store window...IIRC, even a recent Daredevil episode had such a scene. I don't think I've ever seen a window display of TV sets that included piping the sound out to the street...has anyone else?

"David Blaine" probably didn't sound like such a magical alias back in 1978...and it's his first one-syllable surname, for whatever that's worth. It seems like applying for that valet job would have been a good opportunity for an enterprising reporter to get into the mansion.

The guy with the British accent--He couldn't possibly be one of the bad guys, could he? Saw that one coming from the preview clips. And here we have further evidence that public knowledge of the Hulk is strong enough to serve as an alibi. Sure he was there, but if somebody tried telling that story in a world that didn't believe in Hulks, they'd only be reserving their spot as Suspect #1.

Hulk throw doggie? Nooooooo!!!

Pre-breakout Loni Anderson appearance...meh, wasn't much of a fan even during her 15 minutes. It was odd, but not out of character, for David to tip his hand to the future Mrs. Reynolds so early...and her story didn't line up with what David had just told her, as it didn't involve her being anywhere near the window where he had seen her.

Now I know that Ferrigno often wore painted shoes for outdoor scenes, but in the indoor flashbacks, he seems to be wearing green tights. (I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt by not calling them panty hose, but that's what they looked like....) Maybe to avoid getting green paint on the carpet?

So apparently getting shot at doesn't get David's pulse racing enough to trigger his change...but a threatening car-crusher does the trick. Could they have advertised the scene of the second Hulk-Out more blatantly than with the establishing shot of the crusher in action?

Second Hulk-Out: -6:39...which puts us back on formula, falling neatly between the two previous examples. This scene gives us clear onscreen evidence that the creature can press nearly two tons with one hand for a short spurt. Also note how the creature not only doesn't kill, but goes out of his way to save a not terribly nice person like Sanderson.

I guess we have to assume that David erased the parts of the tape that had his name, and potentially his voice, on them....and that he had the tape rolling while talking to Sanderson, as Loni's confession started when she made a surprise appearance. Between the car theft and the tape, there's some nice humorous chemistry between David and McGee without the two sharing any screen time.

So is this episode's Lonely Man outro the first time we see David's pea coat?
 
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"Of Guilt, Models and Murder"--

Dark start to this third episode with Banner (or Blaine in this episode) still returning to his normal self, and discovering a scene that the audience is supposed to believe has the Hulk's fingerprints all over it. Even Banner had serious doubts, despite the flashback clip from the pilot, where Elaina Marks tried to convince him that the Hulk will not kill because David will not. Good continuity there.

Cantrell's memories of the Hulk continues to push the idea that the Hulk will not kill, and is highly sensitive to the death of others--particularly women.

Good to see Jack McGee still able to cover non-Hulk stories, though making it clear he still believes the Hulk is a murderer.

Guest star Loni Anderson (Sheila Cantrell) was just a minute away (actually, a few months) from becoming a pop culture / sex symbol explosion as Jennifer Marlowe on CBS's fondly remembered WKRP in Cincinnati (1978 - 1982).

Jeremy Brett (James Joslin) would go on to be one of the better regarded actors ever to take on the role of Sherlock Holmes in the 1984-85 Granada Television series The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes. Pre-Hulk, he also had a stint on the storyteller series Jackanory (parodied on The Benny Hill Show).

Former Land of the Giants star Deanna Lund (Valerie Scott) had a brief appearance as the ill-fated Terri Ann Smith. She would not be the only LOTG star to cross paths with the Hulk, as we will see in two weeks...

Longtime Universal actor Vince Howard guests as a gate security guard; Howard spent most of the decade portraying various police officers, guards, etc., most notably in Jack Webb productions, such as recurring motorcycle cop "Vince Howard" (how original) on Emergency! (1972 - 1977). He also had a recurring roles on Quinn Martin's Barnaby Jones and The Streets of San Francisco. Of course, Star Trek fans will remember him as Uhura's Crewman (one of the Salt Creature's shape-shifting guises) in "The Man Trap."
 
The Incredible Hulk
"Of Guilt, Models and Murder"
Originally aired Mar. 24, 1978

Man, what a clumsy title. It's trying to be poetic, I guess, but it never quite worked for me. Anyway, this is the first Hulk episode written by producer James D. Parriott, who'd previously held that role on Kenneth Johnson's The Bionic Woman and would go on to have an extensive career (Voyagers, Misfits of Science, Forever Knight, Dark Skies, Ugly Betty, Grey's Anatomy, Defying Gravity, Covert Affairs).

It's got a hell of a strong opening, a terrific initial dilemma for David that's impressively handled without dialogue for a long stretch. It puts the audience right with David in experiencing post-Hulk disorientation and amnesia, having to piece together what happened. And Joe Harnell's music is fantastic. Great wordless acting from Bixby too.

The rest doesn't quite hold up, though. David is let off the hook a bit too early, and it becomes a fairly conventional crime story. It's implausible that David doesn't see the obvious hole in Sheila's story (that she was standing way back by the door when he saw her through the window right behind the victim), and the fact that we can see it makes it easy to tell that she's a co-conspirator using him to lure out Sanderson (and that Elkin missed his carefully aimed shot on purpose).

There are some production glitches too. Ted Cassidy isn't doing the Hulk growls, and the growls we get are much less imposing. (It doesn't sound like Ferrigno's voice either, going by his voice work in the '90s Hulk cartoon.) His palms don't seem to be made up in the car-crusher sequence. And there are some awkward editorial bits, like using optical zooms on obvious freeze frames to make up for a lack of coverage. There's also a shot of David listening to Joslyn on the phone that seems to be slowed down and reversed from an earlier shot. That suggests the director didn't get all the coverage that the producers wanted and they made some fixes in editing.

The high point is getting a guest appearance by Jeremy Brett, who would go on to be one of the most definitive portrayers of Sherlock Holmes. Ironic that he's playing a suspect in a murder mystery. As for Loni Anderson, I never cared for her much or found her at all attractive. And I didn't realize that the briefly glimpsed murder victim was Deanna Lund, whom I definitely did find attractive and then some in Land of the Giants. I guess I didn't recognize her as a blonde.


Here we have a rare and early example of the show breaking the formula that it had at this point barely established, with David transforming back from his first Hulk-Out as the episode starts...and the details of that Hulk-Out being told primarily through the flashback stories of unreliable narrators. I don't know if it really counts in an example like this, but FWIW, we see the Hulk-Out via David's POV flashback at -43:26.

And we also get a rare, possibly unique instance of David's POV as he begins his Startling Metamorphosis -- a green haze overlaying his vision just before he blacks out.


It seems unusual that David would be transforming back while still in the house...his alter ego's usual M.O. is to bust out of closed spaces and run off when his job is done...but the plot depends on David seeing the evidence of what he fears may have been the creature's actions.

But his job wasn't done. He was so saddened by his failure to save Terri Ann that he just wept over her body while Sheila got away. Presumably he just sat there and cried himself out, then changed back. (Come to think of it, David's cheeks were wet in the opening bathroom scene, though I figured it was just Bixby's reaction to having the white contacts in so long.)


David literally can't walk down the street without getting involved in people's problems...and why the hell was he hoofing through Beverly Hills anyway...?

Perhaps he heard about some promising medical research being financed by a Mr. J. D. Clampett.


In the classic comics, the Hulk had a homing instinct that always brought him leaping back to New Mexico from all corners of the globe. On the show, David has a homing instinct that always brings him back to where he left his duffel bag--He can't lose that duffel bag!

That must be where he keeps his special indestructible pants that not only stay on when he Hulks out, but protect fragile items in their pockets from being crushed. There's no way that tape recorder should've survived in there.


This episode makes use of the time-honored trope of somebody watching the news on a TV in a store window...IIRC, even a recent Daredevil episode had such a scene. I don't think I've ever seen a window display of TV sets that included piping the sound out to the street...has anyone else?

Maybe in the early days of TV, when not many people had home sets yet.


The guy with the British accent--He couldn't possibly be one of the bad guys, could he? Saw that one coming from the preview clips.

But he's Sherlock Holmes! How can he be evil? (Or so one might have asked back in the pre-Cumberbatchian era.)


And here we have further evidence that public knowledge of the Hulk is strong enough to serve as an alibi. Sure he was there, but if somebody tried telling that story in a world that didn't believe in Hulks, they'd only be reserving their spot as Suspect #1.

It would've been nice if the show had followed up on that more, the authorities and the public becoming more aware of the Hulk and creating more problems for David. Instead, it just fizzled out over time.


Hulk throw doggie? Nooooooo!!!

Interestingly, it looked like a real dog rather than something like that giant toy teddy bear in "A Death in the Family." Must've been a well-trained stunt dog.


So apparently getting shot at doesn't get David's pulse racing enough to trigger his change...but a threatening car-crusher does the trick.

Well, it's not just adrenaline, it's anger and desperate need.


I guess we have to assume that David erased the parts of the tape that had his name, and potentially his voice, on them....and that he had the tape rolling while talking to Sanderson, as Loni's confession started when she made a surprise appearance.

We saw him turn on the recorder and put it in his pocket before he knocked on the trailer door. I'm just surprised its mike picked up anything when it was in his back pocket while he sat in a chair.


Between the car theft and the tape, there's some nice humorous chemistry between David and McGee without the two sharing any screen time.

And it's notably the first time David actually chooses to risk a run-in with McGee in order to pursue a goal. That's how important finding the truth is for him.
 
It seems unusual that David would be transforming back while still in the house...his alter ego's usual M.O. is to bust out of closed spaces and run off when his job is done...but the plot depends on David seeing the evidence of what he fears may have been the creature's actions.

It's David's inherent sympathy for the dead (the crying scene) that prevented the usual Hulk run-off. This was illustrated in the pilot, this episode, and again in "Married."

In the classic comics, the Hulk had a homing instinct that always brought him leaping back to New Mexico from all corners of the globe. On the show, David has a homing instinct that always brings him back to where he left his duffel bag--He can't lose that duffel bag!

Well, on The Walking Dead, Rick Grimes never loses his Colt Python, no matter how many times he's been kidnapped, on the run, attacked, etc., and Indiana Jones always manages to retrieve his bullwhip and fedora!

This episode makes use of the time-honored trope of somebody watching the news on a TV in a store window...IIRC, even a recent Daredevil episode had such a scene. I don't think I've ever seen a window display of TV sets that included piping the sound out to the street...has anyone else?

Back in the 70s--yes. It was a sales technique (with external speakers, or using the TV's own sound) to draw your attention, then draw you into the business.

It seems like applying for that valet job would have been a good opportunity for an enterprising reporter to get into the mansion.

He's too busy being the infamous Jack McGee. Remember, he is supposed to be known to a certain degree.

Hulk throw doggie? Nooooooo!!!

That's always...funny.

Pre-breakout Loni Anderson appearance...meh, wasn't much of a fan even during her 15 minutes

It seems as the 70s wore on, the "super-blonde" became an exercise in extremes; just in the few years before Anderson broke out on WKRP, you had Farrah, Suzanne Sommers, Bo Derek, Cheryl Tiegs and then Anderson. Personally, I was never a fan of any, as they were not the natural 70s look I appreciated at the time.

Second Hulk-Out: -6:39...which puts us back on formula, falling neatly between the two previous examples. This scene gives us clear onscreen evidence that the creature can press nearly two tons with one hand for a short spurt. Also note how the creature not only doesn't kill, but goes out of his way to save a not terribly nice person like Sanderson.

Yes, his strength increases as the series moves on, but he's still not on the Superman level. Even the 70s Spider-Man managed to tear his way out of a locked bank vault, so he's almost in the TV Hulk zone.

So is this episode's Lonely Man outro the first time we see David's pea coat?

I guess so, as I recall Banner leaving with the tan jacket in the two pilot movies and every episode up to this one.

Gah, you made me go back and look!

Haha!
 
Ted Cassidy isn't doing the Hulk growls
I thought those growls sounded weak...didn't realize that was the reason!

And we also get a rare, possibly unique instance of David's POV as he begins his Startling Metamorphosis -- a green haze overlaying his vision just before he blacks out.
Didn't catch that...went back and looked, it was very quick.

There's no way that tape recorder should've survived in there.
It looked a lot sturdier than the medicine bottle from the second pilot, which survived multiple Hulk-Outs.

We saw him turn on the recorder and put it in his pocket before he knocked on the trailer door.
Well, you saw him.... :o

And it's notably the first time David actually chooses to risk a run-in with McGee in order to pursue a goal.
He was probably feeling pretty cocky after what the writers and directors let him get away with in the previous episodes.

David is let off the hook a bit too early
There is a later episode with a similar premise (the one with the psychic) that takes things further...David becomes so convinced that the creature killed that he nearly takes his own life.

It's David's inherent sympathy for the dead (the crying scene) that prevented the usual Hulk run-off. This was illustrated in the pilot, this episode, and again in "Married."
Actually, he wanders into the woods in the pilot...and he would have been a lot more invested in Elaina's death.

Interesting, though...I hadn't quite connected the dots about what made the Hulk stay. Ironic that it was the creatures compassion for human life that put him in a situation that made David fear that he'd killed someone.

He's too busy being the infamous Jack McGee. Remember, he is supposed to be known to a certain degree.
Not just Jack...any of them.

I guess so, as I recall Banner leaving with the tan jacket in the two pilot movies and every episode up to this one.
Yeah, I checked...it was the tan (beige?) jacket in all of those.

ETA: Something else that I realized about this episode...it's the first one in which the plot doesn't involve David's undercover doctor skills (if you don't count checking the murder victim for a pulse).
 
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ETA: Something else that I realized about this episode...it's the first one in which the plot doesn't involve David's undercover doctor skills (if you don't count checking the murder victim for a pulse).

And only the second post-pilot story where he isn't specifically seeking out a cure. In "Final Round," he was pretty much just trying to find work and get by. This time, he was trying to find out if the Hulk had killed someone. Maybe we should start keeping track of which episodes have him searching for a cure and which ones don't. I think the former become less frequent over time.
 
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