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[think]

OK some humor .. this is like one of my responses I sorta remember saying a while ago.. --- yeah this was me. I look back and remember being like this.. almost person kinda attitude in life.--- I get this way now and then .. but I am mostly over this phase..--so this is funny for me.

 

[think]

this is an important fact ..

 

[rhubarbodendron]

Gotta show that pic to my boss! He always insists that sampling the Danube river is easy as pie but conveniently forgets that his legs are half a yard longer than mine.

 

[rhubarbodendron]

I have a mean anxiety fit ever since yesterday I have a week off and was so relaxed that I let my guard down a bit too far, apparently. Got up at 2 am and signed up for online therapy. In my town all therapists are booked out for the next 2 years! So I guess online is better than nothing.
I'm perfectly ok with being afraid if something scares me, but I want the anxiety to last only for a normal time span like 5 mins. A whole day is definitely not normal and I suspect a physical component (menopause). Sometimes life sucks so much that not even chocolate helps.

 

[KimMH]

I’m sorry and hope the online help will alleviate your pain.

 

[think]

I get like that too - @rhubarbodendron I get like I got to fall asleep again ... and I am not going to fall asleep like usual and I am going to lay there in bed waiting to fall asleep that will never happen .. and the time is wasted and and and .. so because of these worries I do not fall asleep and just lay there. but --- there is a point of saturation mmmm it sometimes gets me so anxious that I try to sleep with nervous shakes and such .. hallucinating and more then it is like 2-3 hours just to wait for this to stop --- yesterday I had it bad just as I was starting to sleep so I got up .. and had the camomile tea.. not really helping but at least I thought it did ... -- that was what helped thinking it was helping - anyway here we go---

 

[rhubarbodendron]

that's sound advice Thanks!
I think we both have the same problem: intellectually, we know everything is ok. But we can't get our subconscious (or is is subconscience?) convinced that the intellect is right.
How does one go that step? Any ideas/tricks/tips?

Btw, can you get valerian tea or better valerian drops in your country? The plant's scientific name is Valeria officinalis. The stuff tastes awful but it's an old and reliable tranquilizer without any side effects.
Cats love it and get high on it but that's because valerian smells (and alas! tastes) a bit like cat pee.
If you combine it with passiflora tea, the effect gets enhanced. The effect on you, I mean, not on the cats

 

[think]

we can get the valerian root or drops or "pills" here I had used this in the 90's and had heard that they make valium from this --- but I can't find that verified on the net just that it is a mild form of valium --- I had this in pill form back then and took it several times successfully .. it helped my relax and sleep --- I would need to consult my psychiatric dr and probably my medical dr about interactions.. with this.. IDK If I could take this.. again.. but it seems the camomile tea is giving me constipation and might be kind of addicting for me and my addictive personality =--= but I am really not sure --- its hypnotic like effects are great and calming but yeah hypnosis is really not workable with me.--- so I can look into the Valerian .. it seems interesting again..-- because they actually don't use it for making valium --

I did that step .. the last and final step in coming into the positive thought land.. it required and still requires my remapping all my negative Ideas and thoughts === I have to make my thoughts positive. I do this by being aware of my thoughts and thinking .. moment to moment and then if it is negative .. I just look to the positive even if there is no positive .. I still go to the positive maybe in a different topic or not like --- when life sucks mmmm because it always sucks === I think It is good to be alive. and I am happy to be alive.. just thinking that .. gets me out of the life sucks.. my mind usually believes this .. even when it is not true.. cause really usually it is not true. -- but having that idea in my head you know== I can't think negatively with positive ideas in my head.. I can't -- it does not work..about 3 years ago I finally worked to keep do this.. I would notice these negatives and just look to the positive.. even if it was not there. looking to the positive .. had ended the suicidal focus of my life.. I am embracing life and living not death and dying == I changed from 40 years of that bad focus .. to a positive one.. --- so I am really actualizing these things into reality!!! But my recent thing is doing dishes.. --- I don't do dishes .. no I don't I have written down a few things for my meditations "Bill Loves doing dishes" it is not helping .. I still have a very lot of backed up dishes to do.. --- One would think with all this home time I would get to do the dishes but no there is not much difference between before and after the covid-19 home staying that has really changed about my staying home I guess I was a kind of hermit before and after this so no change for me just continued continuing right?

dishes.. -- IDK -- I don't really love doing dishes at all == I thought that change would happen like the positive life happened.-- no.. but the card still stands where I chant and meditate. -- so --change. might happen? if I look at the positive side of things this can happen.

btw the valerian drops usually have alcohol in them .. hence the tea or .. pill.

 

[Nakita Akita]

that's sound advice Thanks!
I think we both have the same problem: intellectually, we know everything is ok. But we can't get our subconscious (or is is subconscience?) convinced that the intellect is right.
How does one go that step? Any ideas/tricks/tips?

Btw, can you get valerian tea or better valerian drops in your country? The plant's scientific name is Valeria officinalis. The stuff tastes awful but it's an old and reliable tranquilizer without any side effects.
Cats love it and get high on it but that's because valerian smells (and alas! tastes) a bit like cat pee.
If you combine it with passiflora tea, the effect gets enhanced. The effect on you, I mean, not on the cats

I used to drink that Tea. I don't think the store sells it any longer though.
It stunk to high heaven, as we say here, but I thought it tasted okay.
The only bad part was, if you drink three cups of tea right before bed, then you have to wake up to use the bathroom.
I use warm milk too some times, sort of the same wake up to use the bathroom thing though too.
I might still get some of the valarian tea or capsules. I haven't thought about them for a long time. Good idea.

 

[rhubarbodendron]

Over here Valeriana is sold as liquid extract with alcohol as a solutant. With the concentration they sell in Germany, you pour between 20 drops and 1 teaspoonful into a bit of water and drink it approximately half an hour before you go to bed (or whenever you need calming down). This way you have only a few sips and can avoid the nightly pilgrimage to the bathroom.

The herb has nothing to do with Valium - it's just that both names have the same Latin root.
The digestional problems with Chamomile tea are because Chamomile is one of the strongest natural antibiotics discovered so far. I think it possible that drunk in large amounts and over a longer period it kills some of the symbiontic bacteria in your intestines that enable you to digest food. Also, it has a certain dehydrating effect wich would increase the obstipation.

A bit of goodish news today: after 3 days of panic I still haven't gotten the login data for my online therapy but I just had a phone talk with the Psychologist who is supposed to have the evaluation talk with me tomorrow morning. He sounds quite nice If I shan't have received the official login data till tonight, he'll send me a mail with the login he uses for his personal patients and we can use that one
Also, I started with the new med yesterday (Paroxetin) and though it naturally has no effect yet, it doesn't have side effects and crossovers with my other meds either wich comes as a relief (2 of my meds for cholesterol and diabetes are known to interact but so far I'm in the pink ). I am tempted to raise the dosis stright away but as a biologist I know that my body needs time to adapt and that I best take it in weekly steps. Still, I am eager to get rid of that darned fear.

 

[think]

Over here Valeriana is sold as liquid extract with alcohol as a solutant. With the concentration they sell in Germany, you pour between 20 drops and 1 teaspoonful into a bit of water and drink it approximately half an hour before you go to bed (or whenever you need calming down). This way you have only a few sips and can avoid the nightly pilgrimage to the bathroom

Alcohol even in that small of an amount has the taste and effects of getting wasted, I just cannot have alcohol, besides the liquid sugar effect on my diabetes - I would loose the clean time of being without alcohol for 23 years.. if I were to consciously want to do that I probably wouldn’t do that but just start smoking crack like I did 23 years ago when I was told by my therapist to have a drink to calm down.. since it’s right there... leading to a week of no sleep and massive quantities of crack pot and other things.. so for me to do alcohol... I would not..ever do that again the alcohol or the near beer or the,.. sugar,... or caffeine because that increases my bp leading to death.. I even don’t like these things anymore... all of which makes me sick...

 

[rhubarbodendron]

I see. That's indeed a problem. Maybe capsules/tablets would be a better alternative to the tea.

 

[rhubarbodendron]

YAY! the evaluation talk with the online psychologist went very well and I qualify for an online therapy. Now I have to wait a few days till I get the official go ahead and then I can start my therapy =) And then it'll be a lot of hard work and a looooong time till I can wave my panic goodbye. But at least there's a bit of light at the end of the tunnel now.

 

[KimMH]

I’m glad you’re able to get help during these times and wish you the best.

 

[JesterFace]

There was some talk above about trouble sleeping.

Without any pills it seems to take a long time for me to go to sleep and that with tinnitus is not fun. Melatonin (body's own product but in a pill form) helps and 1/4 of a pill (name escaped me now) that fights anxiety and has being tired as a side effect, those two put me right out. Nice combination for me. There was a time when all day went worrying about going to bed but fortunately these pills have helped, I go out pretty quickly. That can improve the quality of life and it has.

 

[think]

so yeah I get to combine these two topics --- sleep and online therapy into one post..

trying to sleep this morning at 9 am from a completely sleepless nite cause of the day before when I was have extra special paranoid symptoms that had me sleep most of yesterday till almost 6 pm .. then and such.. I get a call from said therapist and we do phone therapy right there at 9 am today.. yep and such -- un-expected and all, I let her know I am doing great if the world would get off this kick about sleep and nite and wake in the day .. it would be fine by me.. -- letting her know I am just getting to sleep at 9 am.. and such we do therapy and schedule the psychiatrist appointment for this tuesday but yeah I can't go back to sleep now.. and -- mmm I am here typing this at 10:30 am so it is.. ===


and the jaw stop clenching the jaw.. --- I need to see this every five minutes just to be relaxed and such ..yeah it takes like 5 minutes to forget to relax --

 

[rhubarbodendron]

Bad timing of your therapist! I hope you can sleep tonight.
My sister claims that going to bed at the same time every day helps very much in getting a deeper and more reguilar sleeping pattern. It takes a few weeks if the boidy adapts to the set rhythm but then it works really well. She's a sort of expert for sleeping problems because she has no deep sleep phase at all and thus spends every night doing 5-10 minute naps. Her docs say it seems to be something genetic and they can't treat it. But with the regukar bedtime schedule her condition has improved a bit and the quality of sleep is better.

The online therapy clinic already sent me a message that I qualify for their online therapy programme and may now pick a therapist and a date for the first session. Unfortunately, of their > 60 therapists every single one is booked for the next week (they only put the appointments for 1 week online). I'll have to check every day if something gets available and then pounce. Still, help is on its way, it's just not sure yet in which form (which therapist) and when.

Had to grin during the evaluation session this morning: I was the first patient and the doc had forgotten to button his shirt LOL. Even psychologists are humans and have a problem with early mornings

 

[think]

OK they told me this morning depending on the Dr. if he has his zoom set up tuesday or just a phone,.. I will get a phone call either for the whole session or the zoom set up. I should sign the email paper work now.--

 

[rhubarbodendron]

cool I hope your doc has as nice a cleavage as mine

 

[think]

cool I hope your doc has as nice a cleavage as mine

? I am not sure .. what the reference... is to? mmmm ?