Memories of the Original Krenim Timeline from Before and After

[stardream]

I just remembered implications I had thought about- I had thought about this when Year of Hell first aired. What if what Annorax had been doing did not only change the "Before and After timeline", but altered the events of other episodes. In other words, is it possible that there were other episodes prior to Year of Hell never happened or happened differently from Janeway and Co. (at the end of Endgame) point of view than what we viewers saw?

Yes, it has occurred to me that everything we saw is the result of Janeway ramming Annorax's ship. But then we wouldn't have seen Before and After...

That's the sort of thing I think about. I have a love/hate relationship with Time Travel episodes. Hate because they usually wind up with a reset button but at the same time I like to speculate about how things could have turned out differently in another timeline.

 

[DonIago]

In my mind that always begged the question of whether the timeship's weapon had an "area of effect".

For instance, if Annorax targets Bajor, presumably DS9 is at minimum altered in the process...but if Kira Nerys is on Earth, is she far enough away from the target that she's safe, or is what the timeship does so amazingly powerful that any effect Bajor ever had upon the entire universe (or, god forbid, multiverse) is undone?

Thinking about this just makes me more strongly pleased with the notion that it's not the universe that changes, but rather than the ship itself is jumping timelines.

 

[Finn]

^The timeship eradicated the existence of a given civilization on any world. Annorax did target colonies, not just the homeworlds. As Bajor is the homeworld of the Bajorans, Kira would have ceased to exist. But if Annorax targed an Bajoran colony that has nothing to do with Kira or any of her ancestors since the Bajorans started going to the stars, Kira may still exist. Unless the altered history of the Bajor people prevented Kira from being born still...

 

[T'Girl]

And would the Prophets (who exist outside of time) be able to prevent this? By taking over Annorax's mother and not having sex with his father?



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[DonIago]

^The timeship eradicated the existence of a given civilization on any world. Annorax did target colonies, not just the homeworlds. As Bajor is the homeworld of the Bajorans, Kira would have ceased to exist. But if Annorax targed an Bajoran colony that has nothing to do with Kira or any of her ancestors since the Bajorans started going to the stars, Kira may still exist. Unless the altered history of the Bajor people prevented Kira from being born still...

I know what the timeship did, but my question is whether the temporal wavefront it essentially created could be canceled out by distance. We don't have any firm evidence one way or another, though the visual effect they opted to use suggested it might be possible to escape the effect, complete with Voyager detecting it before they were affected.

 

[Finn]

For the most part, yes

The further out, the less chances these areas had interactions or some kind of influence from the Kremin and whatever the timeship targeted. However, Kremin's part of space does not exist in a vacuum (not the kind that space is). Time to time, someone came in contact with those from Kremin's region one way or other.

For example, what if centuries ago, a neighborhooding race that has cloaking technology ends up in an one-way wormhole to the Alpha Quadrant where they make contact with early space-faring Romulans. Romulans gets cloaking technology from them. Then one day, Annorax wipes out their race by targeting their homeworld because he decided they held back Kremin at one point.

BOOM, Romulans never had cloaking technology. the history of the Federation is drastically changed. No minefield on Enterprise. No "The Enterprise Incident". No Pegasus. At least, a plus. No TATV

 

[DonIago]

Right...but going back to my original question, could Kira survive Bajor being targeted because she was far enough away from Bajor at the time that the timeship weapon's "area of effect" didn't reach her? We don't know.

Just like how in BTTF characters occasionally seem to be immune to changes in the timeline that doubtless should have affected them, though the underlying reasoning differs.

 

[Finn]

My comment answered that

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Right...but going back to my original question, could Kira survive Bajor being targeted because she was far enough away from Bajor at the time that the timeship weapon's "area of effect" didn't reach her? We don't know.

If Annorax targeted Bajor, Kira would vanish no matter if she was from Bajor itself or a colony of it. Bajoran colonies logically could never exist if Bajor itself didn't; if there was never a Bajor, there couldn't ever have been any Bajorans, colony or no colony.

As for the area of effect: she would vanish from the timeline no matter where she happens to be. There is no escape from the timeship's effects if you were from the place it targeted. At least there's no proof of such a thing. The only reason we see a wave expanding outward is just because of dramatic effect. The viewers need to see the wave sweeping across the screen, that's all.

 

[DonIago]

^The second paragraph was the point I was trying to get at.

I just think it might have been interesting, though likely irrelevant to the episode, if it was possible to survive the changes to the timeline by virtue of having been outside the "area of effect".

 

[stardream]

^The second paragraph was the point I was trying to get at.

I just think it might have been interesting, though likely irrelevant to the episode, if it was possible to survive the changes to the timeline by virtue of having been outside the "area of effect".

When you say 'area of effect' do you mean something like a time bubble? Where outside of that 'bubble' time is normal?

 

[DonIago]

^The second paragraph was the point I was trying to get at.

I just think it might have been interesting, though likely irrelevant to the episode, if it was possible to survive the changes to the timeline by virtue of having been outside the "area of effect".

When you say 'area of effect' do you mean something like a time bubble? Where outside of that 'bubble' time is normal?

More like the idea that the temporal wavefront created by the timeship can only alter the timeline within a given amount of distance.

Being extremely arbitrary here...

Let's say the weapon's effect can alter the timeline, but objects (and people) will only be altered at the same time if they are within, say, 10,000 light years of the weapon's target.

So the weapon's fired at Bajor.

Bajor is altered.
DS9 is altered.
Events within the Alpha and Beta quadrants get muddy, as the weapon's effect doesn't entirely encompass both quadrants.
Bajoran-appearing Seska on Voyager is well outside the area of effect and is consequently unaltered.