Maybe Q cant alter time and space

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by WildManWizard, Jul 20, 2020.

  1. WildManWizard

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    and everything he does just uses illusion.
     
  2. Bry_Sinclair

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    Ok.
     
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  3. somebuddyx

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    Well Quinn took Voyager back to the Big Bang and neither Q or the Voyager crew acted like they weren't really there. He could move that moon in Deja Q, he could travel vast distances in Q Who, so traversing the time vortex (and making changes) should be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
     
  4. Orphalesion

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    That gets proposed regularly from what I have seen. And I can understand why some people might want to see it that way; on on hand omni-potent characters can come over as boring and/or silly, on the other hand there can be something very unsettling about a character with powers and a personality like Q.

    However I think the evidence see in the majority of Q episodes points toward the Q being in possession of vast, reality altering powers rather than being illusionists.
    The only thing that I think could very well be illusions, or maybe artificial pocket dimensions, is when a Q takes characters to a completely strange location, like the Post-Atomic horror courtroom in the Pilot or the Regency Fantasy world Amanda Rogers whisks Riker off to in True Q.

    In fact in QWho Picard explicitly asks Q whether their encounter with the Borg, and the death of the members of the crew that perished when the Borg dissected part of the Enterprise, where one of "his illusions", which Q denied.
    So the Q seem to employ both. As I said above I think the worlds they frequently create might be illusions set in artificial pocket universes (like the holodeck, basically), while their other impressive powers, such as creating matter out of nothing, are probably real.
     
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    Given how often the helm tells Picard "It's like we never deviated from our course and ETA", I think I see why the OP made the claim. If Q could alter perception, maybe that's all he really did - created an illusion of a scenario that didn't exist. Those people from "Deja Q" never really existed and was just another test of humanity.

    Q needn't be stated all the time as well, though "Encounter at Farpoint" made the mistake of having Troi recognize his presence (unless Q was projecting that, whereas he wasn't in episodes like "Time Squared" and others where Q is suspected, but isn't, but really is and he's not flaunting for the sake of it.)

    Or that's thinking into it all too much.

    Or continuity for TNG was a naughty word back then too. :rofl::razz::rofl: Because all the ideas don't get puked up at the same time, unlike last night's dinner I left on the countertop overnight then devoured the next morning.
     
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    Throwing the Enterprise thousands of light-years to meet the Borg pretty much has to be real. The Borg were stated, and proven, to be drawn to the Federation because of that encounter.
     
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    Meme of Captain America going, "I understood that reference!"
     
  8. Tenacity

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    the q quinn said that the q weren't as powerful as they made themselves out to be.

    q obviously has some powers, but many of the things he does could be mental malnipulation and illusion.
     
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  9. WildManWizard

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    actually it could have been the signal the borg sent from nx01 enterprise to the delta quadrant.
     
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    Cross media references are tight.
     
  11. Orphalesion

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    The Borg were already scooping up Federation and Romulan outposts along the Neutral Zone in Season 1.
     
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    That makes me cry and for different reasons... just not tears of joy, LOL!

    Which probably didn't make it. The "I'm my own grandpa" trope is nowhere near as good as Q's dramatic machinations. We knew something was out there, Q shows what the mystery that begs for more... later on they all hop in the mystery van and head back in time with their brownies and burgers and then tell the audience the events of FC created the situation that caused the Borg to appear to begin with. As if the Borg weren't aware of the galaxy's size and already exploring on their own, it's a multi-layered cheat designed to induce some allegedly epic revelation but there's no payoff, regardless of order (production vs chronological) a first-time viewer sees it as, assuming one starts with the earliest prequel and manages to keep through it until TNG/S2. Especially after VOY overused the Borg already.
     
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  13. JesterFace

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    What if all the tricks Q makes are created with really advanced technology, so advanced technology it's hard for us to really understand or even imagine it.

    What if Star Trek happens in a massive holodeck?
     
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    Good gravy, why do I click on these threads? You'd think I'd have learned by now.
     
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    What is wrong here?
     
  16. Phoenix219

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    Wow Wow Wow.
     
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    On a serious note, I have often wondered this myself, especially when Picard got sent back to relive his younger days.

    I have also speculated on the same thing concerning Angels on the show Supernatural.
     
  18. Makarov

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    What if Q is an obsessed TNG fan from so far in the future that he sent himself through time and space to insert himself into the show? That explains why he's obsessed with Picard and likes to mess with the characters to see their reaction
     
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    The only thing wrong here is my inability to avoid these types of threads.
     
  20. Orphalesion

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    What if it's a TV show?

    Sorry, but I've always found speculations like that pretty pointless, we all know what we're watching is fictional, no reason to add another layer of "this is fictional"