startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
Don't start this again what is it you if people like NuTrek?
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I could just as easily ask: what is it to you if people don't? In what way does the expression of such an opinion prevent you from liking anything? (Here's a hint: It doesn't. At all.)
I-Am-Zim is making an effort to explain his position, he's talking about the movie rather than about other posters, and he is not, as you attempt to imply in both of the posts I've quoted here, telling anyone that they cannot form and hold their own opinions. You, on the other hand, never explain anything, and in this thread you're following I-Am-Zim around and taking swipes at him. (See also posts here, here, here and here.)
That sort of thing is called baiting, which is essentially "trolling lite". I've talked to you about this before; in fact, I talked to you about it only a week ago and yet you didn't stop - you've done it repeatedly in this thread, which will earn you a warning. Comments to PM.
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
I did the same thing again haven't I I-Am-Zim is a great guy I should have respect people that have a different opinion guess that's what I have to do stop attacking fellow posters thoughts what's it to me if he doesn't like NuTrek?
Which means you dislike it in principle, which I somewhat understand. It bears pointing out, though, that I too am (literally) one of those fathers from the old guard. My kids thought it was fantastic, and to be honest I did too. There are now two Star Treks; Oldtrek and Newtrek, and as much as I loved Oldtrek, Newtrek has alot going for it too.
Sure, you're entitled to your opinion, and the underlying biases thereof. But it's a little dishonest to claim your opinion of NuTrek is in any sort of rational analysis of the film's qualities as opposed to what it is: a knee-jerk reaction to something you are pre-disposed to hate anyway.
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
I-Am-Zim just doesn't like new trek you can't force or make him like it.
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
I think criticisms are just personal thoughts on NewTrek,
That's why it's encouraging to cite evidence in support of your views where possible. Overall, I feel that the pace of the film was great, the cast was universally good (even if some of the characterisations were a bit off), and it was an exciting ride. However, some of us feel to one degree or another that there were too many unexplained plot holes, overuse of contrivances, questionable real science, underuse of pre-established female characters, and the rape (or at least sexual assault) of a lot of established Trek Tech. The film was enjoyable; it could have been as enjoyable and more credible in my view.
It all comes down to ones relative tolerance for shlock. In some cases, I have no problem with shaky plots and questionable science; like I've said before, I'm a big fan of the movie "Tank Girl" and other denizens of the B-Movie category.
Star Trek, on the other hand, is supposed to at least try to maintain a higher standard than the typical Michael Bay Explodapalooza. To deliberately aspire for that standard of unabashed mediocrity is, in my opinion, not only seriously underselling the material, but betraying the entire premise of Star Trek, i.e., the first serious attempt at an adult science fiction series (which goes back to the stance that Star Trek belongs on television, not the movies, but that's another matter).
JJ Abrams doesn't "get" Star Trek by any stretch of the imagination. Neither do his two pet writers. They know the surface and the cliches, they don't know the heart and soul of the thing.
Star Trek, on the other hand, is supposed to at least try to maintain a higher standard than the typical Michael Bay Explodapalooza. To deliberately aspire for that standard of unabashed mediocrity is, in my opinion, not only seriously underselling the material, but betraying the entire premise of Star Trek, i.e., the first serious attempt at an adult science fiction series (which goes back to the stance that Star Trek belongs on television, not the movies, but that's another matter).
JJ Abrams doesn't "get" Star Trek by any stretch of the imagination. Neither do his two pet writers. They know the surface and the cliches, they don't know the heart and soul of the thing.
No.
Ironically, there are those in the science fiction community that know better than to deem Star Trek as serious science fiction. Harlan Ellison being one of them. How about that?
Probably more than you want to believe.
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
how do you know Bob and Alex don't know the heart and soul of Star Trek are you the Trek expert?
This may be true but they know what sells. There are a number of intelligent sci fi shows out there that are suffering in the ratings because you need a degree of schlock to appeal to the erm... less intelligent members of the demographic you are aiming for. This wasn't just about reviving Trek; it was aboout reviving Trek as a money spinner.
Make no mistake though, if people like us don't voice our opinions about sliding standards, they WILL slide further until the majority of people are rather disheartened by them (X3 or Spider-man 3 anybody?). Rally my brothers and sisters and don't let them become complacent!
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
Who out of the JJ Abrams Trek 09 camp really knows about Star Trek?
Hardly a fair comparison; Michael Bay seldom puts more thought into his films than "need more pyro, need more guns, let's do a cool rotating camera thing with lots of talking and shooting..." based on the back stage material, JJ was going for Scifipalooza with lots of cool special effects and awe-inspiring visuals, exotic aliens, flashy colors and compelling characters. The amount of concentration they put into the alien character designs, for example, reflects a degree of care that has been absence from Trek since at least the early days of TNG.
Which goes back to the "principle of the thing" as I mentioned earlier, since the subtext of literally every one of your complaints is "I could have done better."
Who in TrekBBS really knows about Star Trek? Maybe a dozen people on this entire board have ever worked on an official Star Trek film and none of them have posted in this thread.
Sorry, but you just listed the same things Michael Bay is going for when he directs his movies. I personally found the characters in Star Trek just as compelling as the characters in Transformers. And the amount of concentration they put into the Transformer designs reflects nothing or what?
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
No I don't have issues with the way they made STXI am just wondering who knows exactly what Star Trek is about.
George Lucas!
I-Am-Zim
Captain
I agree. Tank Girl rocks!!!
That is so very true. I knew that as soon as I first heard about the alternate timeline BS. They have no clue. They made a summer popcorn flick called "Star Trek". That's all.
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