Mass Effect this generation's Star trek article
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for nothing. We already have one of the best Space RPG's ever written. A movie may add some new fans but ME's longevity is not dependent on it. The whole point is that ME can achieve success on it's own.
So when you can't make a decent argument then you resort to personal attacks. Typical.
If they had made Trek 09 the way I'm sure you wanted it, right now Trek would be a DEAD franchise. Did it have a few plot holes, sure. almost every movie and tv show ever made does. That does not mean it was a bad movie. And I have read the reviews, and most agree that the movie was great and was just what Trek needed, a swift kick in the ass to get things shakin' up a bit. It's not like Trek was ever shakespeare to begin with.
It's not a presonnal attack to point out someones lack of reason. You simply do not understand how the industry works. No studio is ever going to shell out the amount of money needed to make a Mass Effect movie to a bunch of video game writers. It's just not in the cards. Script structure and pacing is totally different. You can be the greatest novelist in the world, it don't mean your suddenly going to able to write a hollywood film. I love Mass Effect and everyone ever involved in making the games, I own them. I have the Mass Effect 3 collectors edition already reserved and payed for. I have the books, and the comics. Hell, I have an N7 hoodie. Christ, I'm proud as hell Mass Effect is Canadian, cuz I could give a damn about beer and hockey. Well...maybe not beer. But those wonderful fellows over in Alberta don't know a damn thing about makiing a film. I want them to have alot of input on the plot, but I sure as hell don't want them writing it!
I was happy with ST being "DEAD". As I argued back then with 6 series, and 10 movies and a near infinite amount of books, comics etc. how much ST do you need.
It doesn't make it a great movie either. My problem was that the elements were their to make a great movie. Dump time travel, dump Chris Pine, dump the Harry Potteresque heroes meeting at school, rework Nero to have a personality. Like I said I agree with critics. "ST is not terrible". For ME, I don't think you can screw it up since it's basically paint by the numbers easy (though I felt the same way about Green Lantern and I was proven horribly wrong).
As for Shakespeare, ST is like his work. At it's best it has both mass appeal and is intellectually deep. Shame on any fan who low balls the franchise.
You called me ignorant for a disagreement in opinion. That is not acceptable. I don't care about your reasoning since most of it is based on opinion or conjecture. I may STRONGLY disagree with you but I don't think any less of you because of it. I expect the same level of courtesy.
Unless you work within the industry and have some insight then your position is about as valid as my own.
Well, I've already given you several. The notion that a motion picture studio ought to put its resources at the service of video game designers who've never made a movie is beyond naive.
It's not all about what you want. A lot of us were happy to see Trek revived and updated, and we were big winners when the movie succeeded.
Well then, play the RPG and stop expecting that Hollywood will give you what you want the way you want it. That's not the business that they're in; they make movies.
Mass Effect might work better as a Cable 10-12 episode a season series.
Why do you keep claiming I have an absolutist position? The script at least the initial draft Bioware is quite capable of doing. The creative development has already been done. Unless there are technical problems, it's wasteful for the studio to repeat the work done by Bioware. That's all I've argue FOR. Nowhere did I claim that Bioware be given complete control of the project. Bioware has no experience with live action or film composition or editing or movie level special effects. Those activities should be overseen by a competent director.
As for Chris Roberts, IT'S ONE MOVIE and one movie does not prove a trend. Chris Roberts failed because of Chris Roberts not because he was a game designer.
Finally Bioware should have creative control. It's their IP.
It's not about what you want either. ST lives as a shadow of it's former self and you're happy with that. Good. Enjoy.
First there is 90% chance that Hollywood will screw it up so I already have low expectations.
Second I'm defending Bioware's capabilities. It's stupid to throw away such resource unless you don't care.
Third I'm wary of Hollywood damaging a great IP's like Mass Effect. That's less likely to happen with Bioware having some creative control.
Of course if there is no creative control, Bioware can wash their hands of the movie if it's aweful and that really is the only acceptable counter argument.
What you may find "acceptable" as a counter argument is meaningless with respect to what's true.
Putting video game designers in charge of a big-budget Hollywood movie is financial suicide.
Yes, see I'm smart enough to already know that - and since I got what I want in this instance, I'm happy for the serendipity. I always am.
Putting video game designers in charge of a big-budget Hollywood movie is financial suicide.
Yes, see I'm smart enough to already know that - and since I got what I want in this instance, I'm happy for the serendipity. I always am.
Dennis you're the last person who has the monopoly on truth. I find it annoying that even though I respect your position and have not argue against it since I feel that it's equally valid, you fail to give the same level of courtesy. All you've done is given your stated bias and not a shred of a decent argument. Outside of Chris Roberts, can you name any other game designer that has attempted to make a full length feature film. That being said since great film director have been actors, writers, and even music video directors, why can't a game designer be a film director.
BTW I know plenty of film adaption of video games that the game developers had nothing to do with and they were mostly bad.
Second please stop misstating my position. I want Bioware to have control of the script and control of creative development of things like props, CGI models, sets, and wardrobe. That is not the WHOLE movie. Not even close. Even then Bioware may refuse and that's fine. I have no problem with that either but they should have the right of first refusal.
You guys are arguing over different points, what is the point?
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Meh, I feel any movie would be a disappointment anyways. Hollywood kind of thinks all games are the same.
Every so often you get a game with a better-than-movie storytelling experience (Uncharted comes to mind), and Hollywood thinks they're adapting Mario Brothers or Tomb Raider or something, and messes it up cause they know better. Mass Effect feels like such a case.
Anyways what makes ME great is really the "feel" of the universe, the atmosphere, the "at home in the universe" feeling that you eventually get from Star Trek or Babylon 5, where you know all the races and their culture,
Every so often you get a game with a better-than-movie storytelling experience (Uncharted comes to mind), and Hollywood thinks they're adapting Mario Brothers or Tomb Raider or something, and messes it up cause they know better. Mass Effect feels like such a case.
Anyways what makes ME great is really the "feel" of the universe, the atmosphere, the "at home in the universe" feeling that you eventually get from Star Trek or Babylon 5, where you know all the races and their culture,
In terms of content, sure you could say that Mass Effect is kind of Trekkish. Could even be that it'll last decades with a million and one spin-offs. Sounds more like they mean the cultural impact though. I don't see any potential for that.
The days of a sci-fi property getting the level of mainstream popularity Star Trek enjoyed back in the day are pretty much over. The general public just isn't interested in it anymore. It would be more accurate to compare Mass Effect to cult hits like Farscape, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, or Firefly if it had lasted longer. Maybe even Stargate back when it was good.
As for the movie, there have been rumors about that for years now. Most likely Hollywood will make some noise about it around the time ME3 is released and then move on to something newer and shinier. The rumors will resurface whenever a new game hits the shelves, but I would put absolutely no stock in a Mass Effect movie ever seeing the light of day.
The days of a sci-fi property getting the level of mainstream popularity Star Trek enjoyed back in the day are pretty much over. The general public just isn't interested in it anymore. It would be more accurate to compare Mass Effect to cult hits like Farscape, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, or Firefly if it had lasted longer. Maybe even Stargate back when it was good.
As for the movie, there have been rumors about that for years now. Most likely Hollywood will make some noise about it around the time ME3 is released and then move on to something newer and shinier. The rumors will resurface whenever a new game hits the shelves, but I would put absolutely no stock in a Mass Effect movie ever seeing the light of day.
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