That's because there was an actors' strike going on at the time and the cast wasn't allowed to promote the film.
Spoilers Marvel's Echo on Disney+
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That's because there was an actors' strike going on at the time and the cast wasn't allowed to promote the film.
Going with the assumption that this is the same Daredevil from the Netflix shows; Do we know for sure they aren't? It's been a while since I watched season 3 (literally not since it's release) but IIRC they ended up forming a new practice 'Nelson, Murdock & Page', and while I don't recall all the ins and outs of Karen & Matt's romance; I'm pretty sure it ended with them just being friends & colleges.
While not named in 'She-Hulk', Matt's practice is explicitly referred to as a "we", so no reason to assume it's not still NM&P. So even if they're not a part of the new show (and we don't know for sure that they're not, no matter what the actors say), I can't imagine there isn't at least a passing mention or allusion to each of them.
From a storytelling perspective though: it's been a decade so pretty much anything could have happened. Also; I don't go looking for leaks as a rule, but I do recall a story a while back claiming that at least part of the show will be during the blip, so that could be all the explanation we need.
Yeah, hopefully.
Oh, OK now I get it.
Featurette-- "The Legendary Kingpin"
I'm starting to see Cox and D'Onofrio as co-leads on this project.
I'm starting to see Cox and D'Onofrio as co-leads on this project.
D'Onofrio, probably, but I suspect they're playing up Cox's role in the previews to attract viewers.
I'm pretty sure they meant Alaqua Cox
Yup.
Ah. Never minnnnnd....
One last promo. "Feedback".
Interviews from last nights premiere event.
Binge complete, with the whole thing coming in at under 3 1/2 hours.
I enjoyed it. Alaqua Cox conveys so much through facial expression and gesture in a way that gives Maya such a distinctive "voice", that sometimes one forgets that they are reading subtitles. D'Onofrio, while not in it as much as I suspected, was terrifying as always as Wilson Fisk.
The Daredevil scene is a flashback in the first episode, establishing that Matt was not among the blipped. However, I have a theory that Vanessa was amongst the blipped, and Fisk compensated for his loss through his "adoption" of Maya.
The first 30 minutes brought us through Maya's life to date, incorporating footage shot for Hawkeye. There are even a couple of lines of dialogue delivered by Jeremy Renner that I didn't remember from Hawkeye, but I would have to go back to be certain.
The inclusion and incorporation of Choktaw legend and culture made for a unique MCU experience, giving Maya a powerset that is unique in the MCU. Her comics power is essentially the same as Taskmaster, whom we have already seen in the MCU. I imagine that duplicate powersets are something that Marvel Studios would want to avoid, as much as they can.
The final episode does have a post-credit scene, one which is clearly setting up Daredevil Born Again.
ETA for those still on the fence on the whole "is Netflix canon?" debate. The Netflix shows, ALL of them, are now included on the MCU "timeline order" menu on Disney+.
I enjoyed it. Alaqua Cox conveys so much through facial expression and gesture in a way that gives Maya such a distinctive "voice", that sometimes one forgets that they are reading subtitles. D'Onofrio, while not in it as much as I suspected, was terrifying as always as Wilson Fisk.
The Daredevil scene is a flashback in the first episode, establishing that Matt was not among the blipped. However, I have a theory that Vanessa was amongst the blipped, and Fisk compensated for his loss through his "adoption" of Maya.
The first 30 minutes brought us through Maya's life to date, incorporating footage shot for Hawkeye. There are even a couple of lines of dialogue delivered by Jeremy Renner that I didn't remember from Hawkeye, but I would have to go back to be certain.
The inclusion and incorporation of Choktaw legend and culture made for a unique MCU experience, giving Maya a powerset that is unique in the MCU. Her comics power is essentially the same as Taskmaster, whom we have already seen in the MCU. I imagine that duplicate powersets are something that Marvel Studios would want to avoid, as much as they can.
The final episode does have a post-credit scene, one which is clearly setting up Daredevil Born Again.
ETA for those still on the fence on the whole "is Netflix canon?" debate. The Netflix shows, ALL of them, are now included on the MCU "timeline order" menu on Disney+.
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One of the things about coming into a show with absolutely zero expectations is that you can just roll with whatever they want to put in front of you.
That said, if you'd told me earlier in the day that Echo would be about how Maya Lopez becomes Mortal Kombat's Nightwolf, I wouldnt have believed you.
Still, not bad at all. The Fisk stuff doesn't suck all the oxygen out of the rest of the show, like I feared it might and the family drama isn't boring. Alaqua Cox is quite good and does a lot with a little in terms of the writing. And the Daredevil bit felt perfectly natural and fitting to this story, without making it all about that character. One of the better cameos in recent MCU memory, honestly. (Which makes the second time that Charlie Cox has had a great, organic cameo after SM:NWH. I'm not counting She-Hulk because he was actually a side character for an entire episode there.)
Not my favorite MCU Disney+ series, but well worth the watch.
That said, if you'd told me earlier in the day that Echo would be about how Maya Lopez becomes Mortal Kombat's Nightwolf, I wouldnt have believed you.
Still, not bad at all. The Fisk stuff doesn't suck all the oxygen out of the rest of the show, like I feared it might and the family drama isn't boring. Alaqua Cox is quite good and does a lot with a little in terms of the writing. And the Daredevil bit felt perfectly natural and fitting to this story, without making it all about that character. One of the better cameos in recent MCU memory, honestly. (Which makes the second time that Charlie Cox has had a great, organic cameo after SM:NWH. I'm not counting She-Hulk because he was actually a side character for an entire episode there.)
Not my favorite MCU Disney+ series, but well worth the watch.
I feel like the marketing suggested a different show than what was presented. The whole Tamaha, Oklahoma setting seemed to be quite downplayed compared to how much it played a part of the series. Granted trailers are often misleading and it can be argued it's good that it didn't give everything away but I'm curious how that'll be seen.
Random thoughts:
Should there have been an ASL option along with the Choctaw dub?
Pretty sure Echo would've been shot by those cops in the beginning.
This didn't seem overly "TV-MA" to me compared with say Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Random thoughts:
Should there have been an ASL option along with the Choctaw dub?
Pretty sure Echo would've been shot by those cops in the beginning.
This didn't seem overly "TV-MA" to me compared with say Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Up to watching episode 3.
So Maya is basically the slayer? „In every generation…“
So Maya is basically the slayer? „In every generation…“
Watched the whole series and I loved just about everything about it.
While I know nothing about Echo beyond Hawkeye and this series and I understand that her powers are different here than they are in the comics, I loved the uniqueness of those powers and how they were tied directly into her identity as a Choctaw woman. If anything, I wish the series had focused more on that aspect of her character with more ancestors, but I also understand the need for restraint. Maya got enough strategy, cunning, ferocity, and love from Chafa, Lowak, Tuklo, and Taloa and it's better to keep narrow the focus on those particular skills. Regardless, I loved the deep exploration of the Choctaw culture, history, and mythology and I hungered to learn more. I would love to see a full episode or even mini-series set around Lowak and her tribe in particular, but I know that won't happen.
I also love how the show took the time to show Maya grappling with her anger and her pain, forcing her to face her demons and how much pain she had also caused those around her. I'm grateful that the show didn't try to cut any corners in that process, nor tried to wrap it up too quickly in order to focus on other things. Maya's struggles with her trauma is one of the most important aspects of her story and I'm glad that focus remained from beginning to end.
What surprised me was how her pain was intertwined with Fisk's own traumas, continuing the story that had played out in Daredevil's third season. When Maya reached out to him and tried to help him heal, I was worried that the show would do a quick fix on him, but thankfully it showed restraint. Of course, Fisk would push back, not wanting to let go off what he felt was an important aspect of himself. I'm eternally grateful he didn't utter anything so hackney as "I need my pain!" and allowed the viewers to see that for ourselves without it being spelled out.
Beyond the exploration of trauma, I greatly enjoyed meeting and getting to know Maya's family and how each of them are important to not just her, but to each other. I do wish there had been some clarity on how everyone was directly related, instead of simply cousins and uncles, but I guess that's not as important as just knowing that they are family. I loved how after they got through everything, they were back together as a whole...although I was disappointed Skully wasn't there for the family gathering at the end. Not necessarily back with Chula (since that little story arc was intriguing and better left open-ended), but at least included with everyone else in the end.
One of my favorite things about this series is how we frequently got to hear from Maya's perspective of the world, without sounds, and seeing how she engaged with that world through communication and action. I loved that we even got a scene in the final episode where we didn't even hear any of the dialogue and instead focused entirely on Maya's perspective. And most importantly, I loved how the show had full-on scenes of signing between characters and how it never skimped on those conversations.
Lastly, a thought on Daredevil. It seems to me, assuming I read the timeline of events in the first episode correctly, that Daredevil was not blipped like so many of us had theorized over the last few years (a theory based on the idea that he was blipped but Fisk was not, thus allowing the latter to return to power). If that's the case, then I'm curious to learn how Fisk did regain power with Daredevil around and if that is explored in Born Again, as we head into his mayoral campaign as set up by the finale's post-credits scene.
While I know nothing about Echo beyond Hawkeye and this series and I understand that her powers are different here than they are in the comics, I loved the uniqueness of those powers and how they were tied directly into her identity as a Choctaw woman. If anything, I wish the series had focused more on that aspect of her character with more ancestors, but I also understand the need for restraint. Maya got enough strategy, cunning, ferocity, and love from Chafa, Lowak, Tuklo, and Taloa and it's better to keep narrow the focus on those particular skills. Regardless, I loved the deep exploration of the Choctaw culture, history, and mythology and I hungered to learn more. I would love to see a full episode or even mini-series set around Lowak and her tribe in particular, but I know that won't happen.
I also love how the show took the time to show Maya grappling with her anger and her pain, forcing her to face her demons and how much pain she had also caused those around her. I'm grateful that the show didn't try to cut any corners in that process, nor tried to wrap it up too quickly in order to focus on other things. Maya's struggles with her trauma is one of the most important aspects of her story and I'm glad that focus remained from beginning to end.
What surprised me was how her pain was intertwined with Fisk's own traumas, continuing the story that had played out in Daredevil's third season. When Maya reached out to him and tried to help him heal, I was worried that the show would do a quick fix on him, but thankfully it showed restraint. Of course, Fisk would push back, not wanting to let go off what he felt was an important aspect of himself. I'm eternally grateful he didn't utter anything so hackney as "I need my pain!" and allowed the viewers to see that for ourselves without it being spelled out.
Beyond the exploration of trauma, I greatly enjoyed meeting and getting to know Maya's family and how each of them are important to not just her, but to each other. I do wish there had been some clarity on how everyone was directly related, instead of simply cousins and uncles, but I guess that's not as important as just knowing that they are family. I loved how after they got through everything, they were back together as a whole...although I was disappointed Skully wasn't there for the family gathering at the end. Not necessarily back with Chula (since that little story arc was intriguing and better left open-ended), but at least included with everyone else in the end.
One of my favorite things about this series is how we frequently got to hear from Maya's perspective of the world, without sounds, and seeing how she engaged with that world through communication and action. I loved that we even got a scene in the final episode where we didn't even hear any of the dialogue and instead focused entirely on Maya's perspective. And most importantly, I loved how the show had full-on scenes of signing between characters and how it never skimped on those conversations.
Lastly, a thought on Daredevil. It seems to me, assuming I read the timeline of events in the first episode correctly, that Daredevil was not blipped like so many of us had theorized over the last few years (a theory based on the idea that he was blipped but Fisk was not, thus allowing the latter to return to power). If that's the case, then I'm curious to learn how Fisk did regain power with Daredevil around and if that is explored in Born Again, as we head into his mayoral campaign as set up by the finale's post-credits scene.
I just watched the first episode, but I was impressed with several things, including the use of ASL, the fight sequence with Daredevil, the use of Maya's perspective (with no sounds), and the background family stuff in the beginning (which I hope is expanded upon).
I enjoyed the series. My only issue is that they gave Maya powers. I know nothing about the character other than what I saw onscreen, but I already thought she was badass just as she was and fit in well with the grittier Netflix Marvel series. I loved the first episode. The last episode was kinda "huh?". I really liked everything up until the final confrontation.
I went into this a little unsure what to expect. I only know Maya from what was presented in Hawkeye and zip of the source material. That being said, I frellin loved the show. Very well written, acted and frankly, shown. It took its time, showing Maya’s pain and struggles. It showed us her family and its impact and meaning to her. All show and no tell. Loved it.
And Fisk… *chefs kiss*.
Highly recommended, easy 8.5/10
And Fisk… *chefs kiss*.
Highly recommended, easy 8.5/10
Solid series. Probably the most engaging character piece from Marvel in a while, and my favourite show of theirs since 'Hawkeye'.
Not much to add that hasn't already been said about the performances, the writing, and the many forms of representation, all of which are presented confidently. I hope this isn't the last we've seen of Maya. Indeed I hope she's in 'Daredevil: Born Again' at the very least.
Speaking of which; Matt's cameo was handled perfectly. It made total sense, felt appropriate to the tone of both this show and the Netflix incarnation (not that I resent the necessary shift in tone for his 'She-Hulk' appearance), and I like they kept the perspective with Maya so that Dardevil is framed as a genuinely threatening presence. Mostly though I appreciate that there was no winking at the camera.
As for other connections back to the Netflix-verse (Defenderverse? Do we even a have a term for this?) it does seem they're at least broadly sticking to what's been established, even if the details are off*. Which is fine, and about what I expected. The important thing is that it feels right, and was faithful the the character.
Not much to add that hasn't already been said about the performances, the writing, and the many forms of representation, all of which are presented confidently. I hope this isn't the last we've seen of Maya. Indeed I hope she's in 'Daredevil: Born Again' at the very least.
Speaking of which; Matt's cameo was handled perfectly. It made total sense, felt appropriate to the tone of both this show and the Netflix incarnation (not that I resent the necessary shift in tone for his 'She-Hulk' appearance), and I like they kept the perspective with Maya so that Dardevil is framed as a genuinely threatening presence. Mostly though I appreciate that there was no winking at the camera.
As for other connections back to the Netflix-verse (Defenderverse? Do we even a have a term for this?) it does seem they're at least broadly sticking to what's been established, even if the details are off*. Which is fine, and about what I expected. The important thing is that it feels right, and was faithful the the character.
For those wondering; in the old show it was a claw hammer, not a ball peen, and the wall was in the living room, not his bedroom. Not that either matters in the slightest.
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