So you're read Marvel's Sentry?But if the character was old when they were first introduced, were they still new?Everyone is a new character, until they're old
*head explodes*
Marvel Comic's sliding timeline & its problems
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Everyone old is new too. HEAD EXPLODES TOO!!!
That just means you've read or watched a lot ( or too many) of these stories. For some readers its their "first time". The aging jaded fanboy should not be a "key demographic."
The aging jaded fanboy is pretty much the *only* demographic for big two comics.
Actually, I was only thinking about Hulk: Gray earlier, and how it performed a number of major modifications on the Hulk's origin that clearly make it incompatible with the original story. I was interested to see this story directly referenced in a recent issue of one of the Hulk comics, where General Ross remembers all his encounters with the Hulk over the years, indicating that it "counts." I've not read Byrne's takes on Hulk and Spider-Man's early days, or Mythos, so I'll have to check them out sometime. With these in mind, it strikes me that it's probably not too difficult for someone to rewrite some aspects of Dugan's life so that he receives the infinity formula well before Year 1 of the sliding timeline, rather than when he's already in SHIELD, as originally portrayed.
Exactly. Those who cannot accept this basic conceit of the genre need to move on.
I don't think "Hulk: Gray" was meant to be canon in the first place.
Precisely why the companies are now treated as nothing more than repositories of licensing opportunities. In less than 100 years after Superman debuted, the superhero comics form is effectively dead, selling only in the tens of thousands - sales numbers that would've been surefire cancellation just 20 or 30 yrs ago.
Top selling (although I don't know if this is orders by shops or sales to actual consumers) issue in Jan '11 is FF #587, a stunt 'event' issue--death of Human Torch and that had 115K "sales," about double the #2/#3 book, a mini-series. Stunts matter: Spawn #200, ranked 4th, shows 65K "sales" but #201, just 18K.
Tentpole character titles Amazing Spider-Man (10th), Uncanny X-Men (12th), Superman (23rd), Incredible Hulk (40th) are "selling" 30-60K.
It's directly referenced in a recent Hulk issue, as I said earlier. Even the art is the same.
Though as I understand it, Byrne's reimagining of Spider-Man's early days in Chapter One is no longer considered canon, due to it not being very well received by fans.
What does Chapter One have anything to do with Hulk:Gray? Yes it's been wiped from existence and good riddance.
Someone mentioned how old Scott Summers was supposed to be now? I can't speak for right now - but I remember an issue in the late nineties that, if I recall correctly, explicitly stated the issue took place on his thirtieth birthday (at least, I think it was Scott's - it might have been Hank's). This would have been about 1998.
Nothing. I was merely providing a comparison between it and Hulk: Gray, which is in continuity, despite contradicting earlier stuff.
^ You could have just stated that without the comparison.
That's about right, I think.
It was referenced visually during Kevin Smith's "Guardian Devil" Daredevil story, but I think that that's about it. I'm not sure why there was such hostility; possibly because it deleted the "science exhibition" origin and made it a devastating accident in Doctor Octavius' lab, with Peter as his assistant. I kind of liked the two or so issues that I read, though.
There was hostility towards "Chapter One" because it sucked. The writing was horrible and so was the art.
I think that it began in 1998. It lasted for eight issues and is Exhibit A in the case of Why Comic Book Writing's Loss Is Movie Directing's... Loss. It's pretty much the origin point for the Marvel Knights line, if memory serves.
1993, just before the X-Mens' 30th anniversary. He's arguably about 33 or 34 now.
Well, it was in 2004. Great story. Warren Ellis is da bomb.
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