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I originally viewed RDJ's return as reeking of desperation, but they've mitigated that by making him play a completely different character and providing a legitimate in-universe justification for it.
Seats in the chairs would counter that.
That is why desperation acts don't always have to be bad things. Look at DS9. They added both the Defiant and Worf to improve ratings. While the ratings didn't improve, both the ship and Worf ended being good solid additions to the show. People seem to think bring Rogers back will sacrifice Sam Wilson but in reality if Sam Wilson has a good role in the movie and the movie is good, then it will actually help make it easier for them to continue the character instead of recasting a brand new Captain America for this new updated MCU they seem to want to create.
The problem is that free speech goes in one direction in the U.S. right now.
So what you are saying is, you're an open minded person that can wait patiently to see the results of Chris Evans coming back as Steve Rogers and THEN make an opinion on what this will mean for the movie?
Evans coming back has no discernible narrative justification that can mitigate its negative impact, perceptionally, on the IP.
RDJ coming back as Doom had a narrative justification immediately baked in even though it took time for me to get over my own frustration and recognize that.
No. Just.... no. We literally have zero clue as to the narrative. So that makes zero sense.
If Evans return helps the movie make money then I think that justifies his return. If his role in the movie helps make the movie good then that is also good. Only negative I can see is if his return negatively impacts the closure we had on the character in Endgame. The other is if it hurts the Sam Wilson character but even that really only has a negative impact if Disney decides it's not going to have any more movies starring black leads, which I doubt will happen.
If right wing politics have any real impact on future MCU movies it will be less with representation, except with LGBTQ who I think they are actually trying to avoid because of the culture shift, but more likely in other regards it will be the tone and style of movies they make. Political commentary will be allowed but only if it's more subtle and sort of in the background. When you see it will also be in weird and unusual settings like Severance and Pluribus.
I think some recent hits lately from both tv and movies such as Severance, Pluribus, Sinners, Barbie kind of shows us what the next big thing is going to be now that the general public seems to be burned out on comic books. Next big thing IMO is going to be surrealism mixed with social commentary. People are still to PC to really embrace a return to the more gritty stuff of the early and mid-2000's but people I think are also tired of the Joss Whedon snark that is in lots of things these days as well. So surrealism mixed with characters with more earnest feelings about things that has something to say about society but that message also doesn't drown out the fun that comes from the unique nature of the show/movies premise.
Should be noted surrealism also stands a better chance at competing against the AI slop that is dominating pop culture right now. Soon you will be able to watch a hour long movie were Martin Luther King boxes Stephen Hawking on the moon. Movies and tv shows are going to have to compete against all these crazy scenarios people will be able to watch because of AI.
Yup. The denial is strong in some.
That's why I find it so hysterical that so many people are making such a big deal about Evans' return.
We know literally nothing about the manner of his return, his role in the film(s), or even how long he'll appear (although I doubt it's just a cameo).
And yet people are going out of their way to be angry. There are far worse things to be angry about right now. A Marvel film isn't worth that kind of energy.
I know I keep saying this and to deaf ears, but how about we wait to see the actual film before we judge?
Or even a full trailer.
I think they see it as a political victory for MAGA because some people got racist with the Sam Wilson character. I see it mostly as a business move but a business move that might also work out creatively as well. It helps that Evans and the character are actually good.
Not according to the trailer we have all seen,
The narrative justification for RDJ coming back was that he's coming back as Doctor Doom, but at the time that his casting as Doom was announced, I still had a largely negative stance towards the MCU aside from a handful of projects - most of which were considered Flops by almost everyone else - and was therefore not in the right frame of mind to see or consider why bringing back RDJ as an entirely different character works within the context of the Multiverse Saga both narratively and conceptually.
Same can be true for Chris Evans. You learned to be open minded then. Keep that open mind, it's healthy.
No, because, contextually, bringing back Chris as Steve is abjectly different from bringing RDJ back as Doom, especially since bringing Steve back is inherently problematic on account of how his departure was used to pass the torch of being the MCU's Captain to Anthony Mackie and on account of how negatively certain people, even as a distinct minority, reacted to Mackie being handed said mantle and responsibility in the first place.
Good on you for ignoring the healthy open mind part of my post. Says a lot about you.
You keep doing you dude, I got better things to do than arguing on the internet. If taking that as a win makes you better this Sunday, by all means, go for it.