Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Thing is I don't care about what bigots think. Bigots I am sure like plenty of tv shows and movies I also like. One can go crazy worrying about whether or not some assholes is going to like a tv show or movie. I am more interested in seeing things I like in tv shows and movies. I like Chris Evans in the role so I am game for more. As long as it is done in away that doesn't undermine the ending in Endgame. That said I also like Sam Wilson as a character. I want him to be used well also. What I look forward most is seeing him as a team leader I do agree bringing Evans and Downey Jr back is a act of desperation. But that doesn't mean the movies will be bad because of it .
I saw a video today that made the point that if you watch Endgame, Thanos destroyed Cap's shield. Yet old man Steve handed the shield off to Sam. This meant it couldn't have been the destroyed shield.
From Steve's timeline, it goes something like this:
The alternative is that Sam gives him back the shield at some point, which makes it a closed time loop. Maybe Sam dies and passes the shield back, and then Steve knows that he, ultimately, has to give the shield back again?
From Steve's timeline, it goes something like this:
- He goes back in time to the 1940s
- At some point, he's given another shield.
- As an old man, he gives the shield to Sam.
The alternative is that Sam gives him back the shield at some point, which makes it a closed time loop. Maybe Sam dies and passes the shield back, and then Steve knows that he, ultimately, has to give the shield back again?
The entire teaser seems to say Steve Rogers will return, so yeah. I'm good with him returning simply as Steve. He'll get a suit, a shield. But when someone calls him Cap, he'll say 'that's that man over there, not me'.
I think something like will happen but I am also thinking he will be held hostage by Doom. In fact I have had this idea for awhile that Doom is basically taking control of the body of a Tony Stark in another universe. His real body was destroyed when the universes fractured. . Meanwhile Evans will be playing two roles. Our Steve who is being held hostage and the Nazi/Hydra Steve Rogers who is like Doom's second in command. Maybe the Tony Stark whose body is in control of was also from the same universe that had Nazi/Hydra Steve Rogers.
Dr. Strange explicitly refused to kill in his first movie. I don't recall She-Hulk killing anyone, either.
Or he already had a backup shield stored away somewhere.
Or he had a backup shield made just in case but never used it, or only used it covertly and didn't paint it until Endgame (ie, he was not identifiably acting as 'Captain America'.
Or he just asked his Wakandan buddies to make Sam a brand new shield.
He stole it from the cap-cicle in his universe.
I am looking forward to it. Not into the MCU like I used to but I think Fantastic Four and Thunderbolts were decent movies and I really liked Agatha tv series and frankly the return of some of the older characters does increase my interest in the movie. Whatever is done with Evans and Downey Jr I just don't want it to undermine how their stories ended in Endgame. This isn't like Picard season 3 which brilliantly fixed the terrible ending to the TNG characters in Nemesis. We actually did see them go out on a high note.
I'm gonna join the list of those who aren't happy about this (rumored) Chris Evans thing, but I'm also gonna take it one step further by not only calling it a slap in the face to Anthony Mackie, but a Jump the Shark decision that further signals the decline and death of the MCU as an IP.
Par for the course, then.
I know, right? Absolutely shocking.
In theory that would have to be Downey Jr coming back. The first sign of how desperate they are. But I still think it might all work out.
Nothing to worry about. King Shark is from the DC universe.
I don't think it's a sign desperation at all.
Pretty sure it was the plan the entire time to bring back Steve and variants of other characters or actors in other roles.
It's called the Multiverse Saga for a reason, It would have been weird if they hadn't brought back some familiar faces.
Pretty sure it was the plan the entire time to bring back Steve and variants of other characters or actors in other roles.
It's called the Multiverse Saga for a reason, It would have been weird if they hadn't brought back some familiar faces.
I don't know about that. I feel like lots of things would have played out different if some characters had become more popular and some movies had worked out better than they did. Not to mention the death of Boseman. Then you got the whole mess with Kang.
I do think people's feelings towards Rogers coming back would be different if Brave New World had been either a better movie or at least a bigger hit. Because it didn't happen Sam WIlson is sort of stuck in this middle place of being a character people like but also being a character people still see as a sidekick . When they brought in the other Spider-Men it was coming from a place were Holland had already been established as a popular and financially successful successor to the role of Spider-Man so their was real no threat to that characters position in the MCU.
Even that might not have been bad but he also lives in the shadow of a Icon. A character that one could argue is peoples most popular MCU character though personally I think that still most likely goes to either Spider-Man or Tony Stark. As it is he is basically Scotty Pippen to Evan's Michael Jordan.
I do think people's feelings towards Rogers coming back would be different if Brave New World had been either a better movie or at least a bigger hit. Because it didn't happen Sam WIlson is sort of stuck in this middle place of being a character people like but also being a character people still see as a sidekick . When they brought in the other Spider-Men it was coming from a place were Holland had already been established as a popular and financially successful successor to the role of Spider-Man so their was real no threat to that characters position in the MCU.
Even that might not have been bad but he also lives in the shadow of a Icon. A character that one could argue is peoples most popular MCU character though personally I think that still most likely goes to either Spider-Man or Tony Stark. As it is he is basically Scotty Pippen to Evan's Michael Jordan.
For cost reasons - no chance. This is about decline in box office.