Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Anwar]

Famke Janssen's Jean Grey return not in the cards as star says Marvel never asked

Will Famke Janssen return as Jean Grey? The 'Amsterdam Empire' star says Marvel never asked her to reprise role, even as her costars re-assemble for 'Avengers: Doomsday.'

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If I know Hollywood, someone probably decided that she was too old because she's a woman even though the males are of similar age.

Well, it's not like Famke and Halle were really all that good as Jean and Storm...though the writing didn't help

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I'm starting to suspect that we won't actually ever see the Earth-10005 universe again now that Wade Wilson has come to Earth-616 and that the X-Men characters we've seen in The Marvels and will see in Doomsday are from a brand-new universe even though they're played by the same actors that played characters from Earth-10005.

Wade hasn't actually moved to 616 yet.

I think most expect he will by the end of Secret Wars, but in fairness we don't actually know that with certainty. It's possible Deadpool and Wolverine 2 will still take place in Wade's home universe with travel/references to 616.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Nobody is going to accuse Tramell Tillman of taking a leaf from Tom Holland’s book when it comes to giving away information

Tramell Tillman Plays Coy About ‘Spider-Man’ Role: ‘Who Says I’m Playing a Villain?’

Tramell Tillman, Tate McRae, and Jonathan Bailey were among the honorees at the Time100 Next Gala in New York City.

variety.com

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Plot twist: He's playing both Robbie Robertson and Lonnie Lincoln!

Edit: Never mind. I forgot Marvin Jones III has already been announced as Lonnie.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

Yeah, there was little emphasis on continuity, Fox needed a Feige.


I was talking about Jean, but now that you mention it, yes, Raven died in 1992 in the post-DOFP revised "new" timeline. ( Also, that was the fourth movie in the First Class continuity, not the third. )
It's starting to look like the X-Men who turn up in Avengers will be from a universe in which the first three X-Men films ( or their equivalents ) happened but DOFP did not. Or they could be from a point in the "original" timeline prior to 2023, if that's an option.

oh yah jean grey died in x men 3 the last stand along with scott but when that happened it was most likely in the original x men films universe

unlike raven who died which i think was in another universe called the x men first class films universe

and as for days of future past well what i think happened was when present wolverine got sent back in time to the past he was still in the original x men films universe and that first class group that he encountered was actually from the original x men films universe

then in x men new class 3 age of the apocalypse it was in the first class universe and the wolverine who time traveled was the first class verison who was from future in the first class timeline because in the end of days of future past scott and jean are there where they both died in x men 3 the last stand

so its most likely that the x men team that is on avengers 5 will be either from the original x men films universe or from another universe thats within the mcu multiverse just like how the fantastic four are from the 1960s universe which is within the mcu multiverse

 

[theenglish]

Wade hasn't actually moved to 616 yet.

I think most expect he will by the end of Secret Wars, but in fairness we don't actually know that with certainty. It's possible Deadpool and Wolverine 2 will still take place in Wade's home universe with travel/references to 616.

Does Reynolds want to return?

 

[JD]

What do you mean? Plenty of pregnant women shoot film and television without any issues and are able to hid the pregnancy if necessary. No CGI necessary (see Gates McFadden in season three of TNG among many examples).

Hell, Scarlette Johanson filmed at least some of Age of Ultron very pregnant. So I think a lot of the full body shots you saw of her were either a double or she had her baby bump digitally removed.
Women film this kind of stuff while pregnant all the time, it's hard to think of think of a TV show that's run more than three or four seasons who hasn't had at least one pregnant cast member. The Rookie's had at least two or three of the woman in the cast get pregnant during it's run, and one of them did it twice.
And in Star Trek we had Gates McFadden, Nana Visitor, and Roxanne Dawson get pregnant during the shows. I didn't realize that they did the whole extra coat over the uniform trick for Gates McFadden, I though they only did that for Roxanne Dawson.

As has become an annual tradition, I watched Werewolf by Night this evening. The special is pitch perfect and remains deliciously macabre and a beautiful callback to 50s monsters films, but with modern sentiments. I'm continuously disappointed that we haven't gotten any kind of follow-up with Elsa, Jack, and Ted, whether in another special or crossing over to any show (especially What If...?) or film. Perhaps they'll appear in Blade if it's actually produced. Perhaps that was always the intended next stop for them but the wait has unfortunately extended greatly.

I've been thinking about rewatching the Marvel shows, so I decided to start off tonight with Werewolf by Night. I haven't watched it since it was originally released.

 

[DigificWriter]

oh yah jean grey died in x men 3 the last stand along with scott but when that happened it was most likely in the original x men films universe

unlike raven who died which i think was in another universe called the x men first class films universe

and as for days of future past well what i think happened was when present wolverine got sent back in time to the past he was still in the original x men films universe and that first class group that he encountered was actually from the original x men films universe

then in x men new class 3 age of the apocalypse it was in the first class universe and the wolverine who time traveled was the first class verison who was from future in the first class timeline because in the end of days of future past scott and jean are there where they both died in x men 3 the last stand

so its most likely that the x men team that is on avengers 5 will be either from the original x men films universe or from another universe thats within the mcu multiverse just like how the fantastic four are from the 1960s universe which is within the mcu multiverse

First Class, The Last Stand, and Dark Phoenix happened in the same universe.

 

[Set Harth]

First Class, The Last Stand, and Dark Phoenix happened in the same universe.

I think by universe he means timeline.

 

[DigificWriter]

I think by universe he means timeline.

A timeline and a universe are not the same thing.

 

[Saul]

Does Reynolds want to return?

Going by rumors, he already has. If you believe he had a heated onset fight with RDJ.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

First Class, The Last Stand, and Dark Phoenix happened in the same universe.

that was until days of future past

its like what smart hulk said about time travel in avengers 4 when they time travel to the past they do not change the future in the same timeline but instead created a new universe via timeline

the mcu time travel style is much different from the most common time travel style

 

[camdudetenger2018]

I think by universe he means timeline.

well kinda

the mcu time travel style is in a way much complex than the well known common time travel style

 

[camdudetenger2018]

A timeline and a universe are not the same thing.

well days of future past which kinda messed up both the timelines and universes because i think in days of future past the sentinals started in the 70s after someone was assassinated and since then the robots has been hunting muntants since then which of course all never happened in the original x men movies universe or was it the orignal timeline in the original x men movies

 

[Christopher]

its like what smart hulk said about time travel in avengers 4 when they time travel to the past they do not change the future in the same timeline but instead created a new universe via timeline

the mcu time travel style is much different from the most common time travel style

But vastly more scientifically valid. The idea of "changing history" is a logical paradox, an impossibility. (Change requires a version before and after the change, and a single moment in time can't come after itself, so if there are two versions of that moment, they are by definition simultaneous, existing in parallel rather than one replacing the other.) It can be more dramatically satisfying if the characters are at risk of losing their whole reality or being erased from existence, but it's complete nonsense. It was refreshing that Endgame chose to adopt a more valid model of time travel, but of course audiences have been so conditioned to expect the nonsensical version that the more reasonable version sounds strange to them.

But while the Back to the Future-style "changing history" model is more common, there's always been plenty of science fiction that used a fixed-timeline model, where any time travel was constrained to be consistent with the original history or create a parallel one without erasing the original. The movie The Final Countdown is a notable example of the fixed-loop model where the time travelers' actions turn out to have caused the history they knew. Most of The Time Tunnel used a fixed-history model, where Tony and Doug only had wiggle room to affect events that were unrecorded by history so that they didn't know in advance how they'd turn out (although later episodes abandoned this). Robert Heinlein wrote some notable time-loop stories like "By His Bootstraps" and "All You Zombies." The TV series Gargoyles used a strict fixed-timeline model, and Red Dwarf usually did too. My own few original time travel stories (outside of my licensed Star Trek work) all use the fixed-history or parallel-timeline model, because it's the only one that makes any sense. (And I tried very hard in my Trek fiction to come up with a remotely plausible model for how a timeline could be "erased," in which it isn't unmade retroactively, but coexists in parallel with the original until the moment the time travelers went back, at which point it undergoes quantum collapse and is subsequently forgotten, creating the illusion that it never existed.)

 

[Set Harth]

It was refreshing that Endgame chose to adopt a more valid model of time travel, but of course audiences have been so conditioned to expect the nonsensical version that the more reasonable version sounds strange to them.

As highlighted in Endgame itself, when the other characters argue with Banner and insist that time travel must work the way it does in BTTF and other movies.

 

[DigificWriter]

well days of future past which kinda messed up both the timelines and universes because i think in days of future past the sentinals started in the 70s after someone was assassinated and since then the robots has been hunting muntants since then which of course all never happened in the original x men movies universe or was it the orignal timeline in the original x men movies

Days of Future Past didn't screw up anything. You just clearly didn't understand what happened in that film and what the consequences of it were.

The XMCU (Earth-10009) features a Split Timeline where two events - the assassination of Bolivar Trask and the capture of Mystique in the 1970s - leads to one set of events (Origins: Wolverine, X-Men, X2, The Last Stand, The Wolverine, and the beginning of Days of Future Past), but when Trask's assassination and Mystique's capture are prevented through time travel (as happens in the back half of Days of Future Past), things go in a different direction (Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool, Deadpool 2, Deadpool and Wolverine, Logan, and New Mutants).

It's the same Universe, just different time paths.

 

[Set Harth]

The original timeline is overwritten by the new one.

 

[Mage]

"Timeline? There's no time to argue about time. We don't have the time!"