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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I am surprised they are actually going with that title. They're going to get some level of blow back from the Indigenous community.
According to Mr Google, the term "Vision Quest" is "an English language umbrella term, and may not be always be accurate or used by the cultures in question."


Also, that the term was, "coined by 19th century anthropologists".


So, the term is as authentic as Jamake Highwater's credentials and any blowback will be coming from people who either don't know what they're talking about or are looking for attention and/or clicks and they should be ignored.
 
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oh ya i wonder if in avengers 5 they will mention kang and or show a clip of the kangs but not the actual original dude who played kang in the tv series loki and in ant man 3 but like extras playing kang

like what if doctor von doom says that he found a way to destory all of the kangs together on a planet called planet kang and thats how doctor von doom took over kangs idea about taking over the entire multiverse

because in the original avengers 5 and 6 movies the kangs were gonna be the main heels
 
That's more or less what I'm hoping, that we'll get a quick scene of him wiping out the Council of Kangs, but it'll just be from a distance so we never actually see their faces. After all the set it would be nice to get some kind of a conclusion to the Kang arc, even if it's just a quick 5 second scene of Doom blowing up them up or something like that.
Yup, that looks like a lot of fun.


I think we've known from the start that it's about the production of a superhero show, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some twist about Simon Jones.

I can't remember if it was mentioned here or not, but Marvel announced the other day that the show will be under the Marvel Spotlight banner, the same as Echo.
I'm pretty sure they've said that Simon Williams will have his powers from the comics. It suddenly popped into my head that I read somewhere that they actually give him the powers as part of the role, but I can't remember where I saw that.
I didn't know the president of Boravia was in this.
That's why he seems so familiar.
It's looks like it's going to be a lot of fun.
 
I hate the idea of them just cavalierly tossing aside everything they've set up about Kang. The needs of the story should come first, regardless of anything to do with actors' real-life problems. And the MCU has recast characters before. I hope they come up with a reasonable way of resolving the Kang story that does justice to the magnitude of the threat as they defined it. Just sweeping it away in seconds would be an insult to the audience's intelligence and to the integrity of the universe's storytelling.
 
Yeah, while I'm curious to see what they do with Doom, giving the choice I would have seen them just recast Kang. After all the set up, it is a little disappointing that they've decided to just dump it all without the big resolution we were originally supposed to get. The only reason I'm proposing Doom killing Kang, is at least it would give some resolution to his story, my fear is they're going to just never address Kang or any of that again.
 
I hate the idea of them just cavalierly tossing aside everything they've set up about Kang. The needs of the story should come first, regardless of anything to do with actors' real-life problems. And the MCU has recast characters before. I hope they come up with a reasonable way of resolving the Kang story that does justice to the magnitude of the threat as they defined it. Just sweeping it away in seconds would be an insult to the audience's intelligence and to the integrity of the universe's storytelling.
Nah, I'm good with tossing out the character because the actor is a piece of shit (and not "real-life problems" :rolleyes: ).

Yeah, it's a shame to lose that build-up but I don't mind since I only cared for the character(s) in  Loki and their thread there was neatly resolved.

I don't need anything more than seeing how Doom becomes the bigger multiverse threat and go from there.
 
They should ignore Kang. I feel like Loki season 2 ended in a way that allows them to do it. Thing is even if the actor wasn't in hot water for his issues the character wasn't really working anyway. So it's not a big lost on that level either.
 
I hate the idea of them just cavalierly tossing aside everything they've set up about Kang. The needs of the story should come first, regardless of anything to do with actors' real-life problems. And the MCU has recast characters before. I hope they come up with a reasonable way of resolving the Kang story that does justice to the magnitude of the threat as they defined it. Just sweeping it away in seconds would be an insult to the audience's intelligence and to the integrity of the universe's storytelling.
Also, he was convicted by the public even though the charges against him were dropped.
 
According to Mr Google, the term "Vision Quest" is "an English language umbrella term, and may not be always be accurate or used by the cultures in question."


Also, that the term was, "coined by 19th century anthropologists".


So, the term is as authentic as Jamake Highwater's credentials and any blowback will be coming from people who either don't know what they're talking about or are looking for attention and/or clicks and they should be ignored.
The term was coined by settler anthropologists as a catch all for many different spiritual practices across the county. The term itself is considered offensive as well as an example of pan-indigenization. It is literally using a slur to describe a practice from a different culture.
 
Also, he was convicted by the public even though the charges against him were dropped.

Really, I think that Marvel's decision to steer away from the planned Kang storyline was based more on the underperformance of Quantumania, even before the allegations about Majors. So I don't think it's really (or at least exclusively) about that. What matters is whether they reorient the storyline in an intelligent, plausible way that respects what was established before while still resolving it earlier than planned, as opposed to taking the lazy, badly written route of just casually wiping away what was established in Loki season 1 as a threat so immense that it required creating an entire time agency and annihilating countless timelines merely to hold it in a stalemate. Doing that wouldn't "show how powerful Doom is," it would just show how careless the writers/producers were. If you tell a story saying that something is that massive and intractable a threat, you have to respect that and pay it off rather than just saying "Ah, we changed our minds, let's just say we lied and it's no big deal." That's just not even trying to find a creative solution. It's a lazy cheat that doesn't play fair with the audience and doesn't respect the integrity of the continuity.
 
What matters is whether they reorient the storyline in an intelligent, plausible way that respects what was established before while still resolving it earlier than planned, as opposed to taking the lazy, badly written route of just casually wiping away what was established in Loki season 1 as a threat so immense that it required creating an entire time agency and annihilating countless timelines merely to hold it in a stalemate. Doing that wouldn't "show how powerful Doom is," it would just show how careless the writers/producers were. If you tell a story saying that something is that massive and intractable a threat, you have to respect that and pay it off rather than just saying "Ah, we changed our minds, let's just say we lied and it's no big deal."
But wasn't the point of the end of Loki season 2 that the threat had been (allegedly) contained? At least for the time being, no pun intended?
 
I just rewatched The Marvels for the third time, and there were a few minor/miscellaneous things that stood out based on the fact that I'd also just watched Ms. Marvel for the first time:
1. I can't decide if the few instances in the movie - such as at the start - where Kamala is suddenly either wearing or not wearing her costume are continuity errors or artistic license

2. I love the dynamic between Kamala and her entire family, but her brother either shouldn't have been present at all or at the very least not present without his wife Tyesha

3. I don't know why they removed Carol's "Oh no" reaction to finding herself in Kamala's bedroom when re-using that scene from the Ms. Marvel Credits Stinger

I don't think I've said this outright, but watching slash rewatching Infinity War, Captain Marvel, Endgame, WandaVision, Far From Home, Secret Invasion, Ms. Marvel, and The Marvels 'marathon style' has convinced me that the prevailing notion that you have to watch practically everything that's ever been released as part of the MCU in order to enjoy or understand any individual part of the IP is a fallacy and isn't actually the best or most satisfactory way to approach things, and realizing that is what led me to decide to re-approach tackling the The Defenders Saga by segmenting everything off by character starting with Daredevil (and Kingpin).
 
They should ignore Kang. I feel like Loki season 2 ended in a way that allows them to do it. Thing is even if the actor wasn't in hot water for his issues the character wasn't really working anyway. So it's not a big lost on that level either.
Honestly, they shouldn't have used Kang as the main villain of the "Multiverse Arc" in the first place. It should have been Korvac, with Kang actually being the one trying to stop him and folks misunderstanding who the real villain was.
 
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