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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Did they have The Borg Invasion yet when you went? They added just a few years after we went, and I've always been disappointed that we missed it. We did go through the Klingon Encounter, which was a fun.
kirk55555 said:
This talk of Marvel's "Not Satans" reminds me that I'm pretty sure that terrible Helstrom Hulu show never referred to the title character as the "Son of Satan", at least they didn't in any trailers or marketing that I remember. They called the show "Helstrom", even though the characters name is Daimon Hellstrom, and made the main characters children of a serial killer instead of a demon. I seriously wonder why that ever got made, even with the weird stuff Marvel TV used to do.

Honestly, Studios being worried about Christians being offended is weird nowadays, because the ones that will boycott things are already whining about everything anyway (I still remember people declaring Pokemon to be demonic :lol: ). Those kinds of things never end up effecting a movie/TV shows success, anyway.
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I have to laugh because we have shows like that where they seem to go out of their way Supernatural or Sandan where Lucifer is a major character, or the biggest one would be Lucifer the show, where he's the title character and is presented as a good guy.
 
JD said:
have to laugh because we have shows like that where they seem to go out of their way Supernatural or Sandan where Lucifer is a major character, or the biggest one would be Lucifer the show, where he's the title character and is presented as a good guy.
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The Lucifer show was a fascinating bit of creativity, especially with the whole "family dynamics" of the archangels.
 
JD said:
I have to laugh because we have shows like that where they seem to go out of their way Supernatural or Sandan where Lucifer is a major character, or the biggest one would be Lucifer the show, where he's the title character and is presented as a good guy.
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Well, the show's Lucifer Morningstar was hardly good, as such, but the show was built around the quite reasonable premise that it's contradictory to assume that the divine being charged with punishing evildoers is himself the source of their evil. He was narcissistic and amoral, but he did take his duty to punish wrongdoers quite seriously and resented being blamed for their free choice to do wrong. Plus he always told the truth, though usually people didn't believe him when he told them he was the Devil.

Also, of course, a big part of Lucifer's deal is that he's a fallen angel, a being of good fallen from grace. His name literally means "Bringer of Light," after all. So it's built into the myth that Lucifer is morally ambivalent, and the idea that evildoers have the capacity for redemption and atonement is not only a major part of Christian teaching, but highly appealing to the writers of fiction.

For instance, in Diane Duane's Young Wizards universe, the perennial antagonist in almost every story is the Lone Power, a fallen divine being who's a thinly veiled version of Lucifer (or presumptively the entity that Lucifer and similar mythological beings are representations/avatars of), yet it's always stressed that the other Powers of the universe still love their fallen sibling and that the actions of wizards are directed toward very, very gradually redeeming the Lone Power and bringing it back to the light. (And by an astonishing coincidence, out of all the trillions of wizards across the universe and throughout time, the key events in bringing about the LP's redemption or otherwise altering the universe's status quo always seem to be performed by the series's lead characters or their friends within the span of their adolescence.)
 
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I started on this within the Ironheart thread, but it really belongs here. Trying to detail all the open narrative questions from the MCU.

Phase 3:
  • Spider-Man: Homecoming: Introduction of Mac Gargan/Scorpion in post-credit scene. I blame Sony. Still, this could be (finally) addressed in Brand New Day.
Phase 4
  • TF&TWS: Sharon Carter has been MIA now for years.
  • Shang-Chi: Neither the post-credit scene regarding the Ten Rings nor Xu Xialing have amounted to anything. Since we know Shang-Chi is in Doomsday, there's some room to address this.
  • Eternals: The entire ending of this movie is a giant cliffhanger, to say nothing of the two post-credit scenes. I don't expect any payoff of anything here, unfortunately.
  • Spiderman: No Way Home: Introduction of the scrap of Symbiote hasn't amounted to anything. Again, I feel like this was Sony's idea, and never fit into Feige's plan.
  • Moon Knight: The post-credit introduction of Jake Lockley sure made it look like they expected a Season 2 - which we will never get. Maybe he'll pop up in Daredevil or something, though.
  • Multiverse of Madness: Not sure the point of introducing Clea, unless she's just going to be dating Steven Strange when we see him next.
  • Love and Thunder: Hercules. Enough said. Frankly, unless we get a Thor 5, I don't see how this could be paid off, since it seems too big to be shunted into Doomsday.
  • She-Hulk: Why did they introduce Skaar again?
Phase 5:
  • GOTG 3: We were promised more Peter Quill (I think the first post-credit scene, with the new Guardians, doesn't count as a true promise).
  • The Marvels: I'm guessing the Monica Rambeau in the X-Men verse will be paid off in Doomsday.
  • Brave New World: Stearns is clearly warning about Doomsday
  • Agatha All Along: Sure seems like Billy finding Tommy is something meant to be paid off.
  • Thunderbolts: Pretty clearly directly tying into Fantastic Four: First Steps with the post-credit scene.
  • Ironheart: Cliffhanger ending that cries out for some sense of narrative closure regarding Riri's deal with Mephisto. Oh, and setting up Strange Academy.
In general, I do have to say the MCU improved dramatically in Phase 5 in not setting up a ridiculous number of teasers for projects which we will likely never see. I guess a lot depends upon how "reset" the world ends up at the end of Secret Wars, because if we're doing a hard reset, all of these teasers (even the ones contained to a single character) will be orphaned.
 
Set Harth said:
Doesn't Eternals pay off ( at least somewhat ) in Brave New World?
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I mean, they showed that Tiamut's petrified body is still there. I'd argue that was just about the least important thing to show. After all, they set up:
  • Thena, Druig, and Makarri leaving on a spaceship, and meeting Eros and Pip.
  • Sersei, Phastos, and Kingo are kidnapped by Airishem.
  • Dane Whitman finds the Ebony Blade, and hears Blade's voice.
That's three different cliffhangers! Obviously the first two seemed to require an Eternals 2, though Dane can reappear if a Blade movie ever happens, or in Midnight Suns or something.

Tiamut being there is in some ways a bit worse than doing nothing, as it confirms everything that happened in Eternals is canon, although it will still likely never be revisited.
 
Jayson1 said:
Why is AI getting better but CGI getting worst? The new Silver Surfer looks worst than the one we saw in 2007(2008?) second F4 movie.
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Ironically, the cheapness of CGI is part of why it's getting worse and worse.

Twenty years ago, every shot required a lot more processing time and energy. As a result, there was an emphasis on getting things right the first time, with more storyboarding, concept art, pre-vis at lower resolutions, etc.

Adding to this, the studios now crunch the animation teams with incredibly unrealistic production schedules because they can. Formerly, it would result in a totally broken movie, but now they can at least limp across the finish line with something shitty.
 
Also wouldn't the amount of movies that use CGI also be a issue? It's kind of like expansion in baseball. More teams you add the weaker the pitching staffs become and soon you got pitchers in the MLB who would have been in the minors or out of baseball in years past because their simply was not enough jobs to go around. My guess is some movies and shows must get the lesser talented types because the best CGI artist might be working on a more high profile movie or show.
 
Jayson1 said:
Also wouldn't the amount of movies that use CGI also be a issue? It's kind of like expansion in baseball. More teams you add the weaker the pitching staffs become and soon you got pitchers in the MLB who would have been in the minors or out of baseball in years past because their simply was not enough jobs to go around. My guess is some movies and shows must get the lesser talented types because the best CGI artist might be working on a more high profile movie or show.
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I think the expansion of the number of shots in each movie that use CGI is way, way more of an issue than the expansion to different movies. Though CGI is commonplace these days across essentially all movies, not just in the sci fi/fantasy movies we expect. Like, there was plenty of CGI use in Crazy Rich Asians a few years back. Every time there's a crowd shot, or an aerial, or something that might require some on-location shooting somewhere semi-expensive, they just composite that stuff in later.
 
I think one issue is I don't think Jennifer Garner was a good choice, though maybe she works better in them movie. It seems like the role would call for a actor who has more gravitas. A Naomi Watts or Kate Winslet type. The most perfect choice being Emily Blunt.
 
I need to watch those shows. In my head when I think of her I still always go to 3 things. Alias is one. I think that will always be the number one thing I think of with her. The other is 13 going on 30 and Dude, Where is my Car. Daredevil as well but even then I can only think of the playground fake fight.
 
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