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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Campe said:
Edit: Seriously though, I think I'm out. I'll wait until the full announcement. Who's got time to keep looking at names on chairs revealed every five minutes?
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Ditto.
oktay said:
Former Variety writer Jeff Sneider says the Chameleon will be the main villain in SPIDER-MAN 4.
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Not a good choice. Despite the Chameleon being the first "super-villain" in The Amazing Spider-Man comic, he was never a great villain for Spider-Man, ultimately being a fourth tier antagonist at best when compared to the villains who were as much a part of Spider-Man's development and drama as the hero himself.
 
Samurai8472 said:
I was thinking that with all these callbacks to the FOX X-men when will the MCU X-men get a chance to take over?

The longer we keep staying with the FOX X-Men the more they become the definitive image/representation

At some point they have to peel the band-aid and move forward with a new look and style. Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen aren't going to be around much longer.
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I have a feeling that is exactly what this movie and maybe Secret Wars will be doing, by the time this is done the FoX-Men will be gone and the board will be clear for a new version of the X-Men.
eschaton said:
We don't know if the Gambit in question will be the version from D&W. It seems rather unlikely, TBH, given that raises the question of where X-23, Blade, and Elekra are, let alone Wade and Logan. I'd guess he's more likely he's playing a Foxverse Gambit who we somehow never quite saw onscreen.
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I'm pretty sure he is, the post credits scene showed him looking into the camera with an orange sparkly circle portal reflected in his eyes.
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Ditto.

Not a good choice. Despite the Chameleon being the first "super-villain" in The Amazing Spider-Man comic, he was never a great villain for Spider-Man, ultimately being a fourth tier antagonist at best when compared to the villains who were as much a part of Spider-Man's development and drama as the hero himself.
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Yeah, I thought he was usually the secondary villain who's working for a bigger villain, at least that's how most of the cartoons and other adaptations have treated him,
 
I was just thinking that the Chameleon can't really be the villain of the new movie. It would be much more interesting to have a Kingpin story with other villains being used like Bullseye was used in both the Affleck movie and the Cox series. It would also be a great opportunity to have Charlie Cox show up again in the Spider-Man world.
 
As for Gambit.... Some people claim that in this end credit scene, we see in his eyes a reflection of a portal opening.

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Christopher said:
That's not true at all, and I'm tired of hearing it claimed. The format of The Marvels was ideal for bringing an audience up to speed without having seen the shows, because the lead characters were meeting for the first time or at least for the first time in decades, so they all had to explain their backstories to each other, which was the perfect way to let the audience learn about them in the process.
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It doesn't matter if that's actually true, that's the impression the people who didn't watch the movie got, and became part of the post-release CW.

Frankly, given the extensive re-edits the movie clearly had (with clunky exposition scenes plopped in), it's likely the original cut was a bit more reliant on prior knowledge of those properties as well.

JD said:
I'm pretty sure he is, the post credits scene showed him looking into the camera with an orange sparkly circle portal reflected in his eyes.
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Technically this is a deleted scene that Ryan Reynolds dropped post-release. I believe it's show in really low-res cut-up section of this scene on one of the TVA screens, but I'm not sure if enough made it into the movie to be officially canon. Though of course canonicity means little given the multiverse.

Regardless, D&W implied he'd be rescued by the TVA (along with Blade and Elektra, presuming they survived too). That would seemingly put him on a different "team" than the other X-Men that we're going to get. Or, at the very least, the Beast introduced at the end of The Marvels is from a different universe than the Gambit introduced in D&W. Kinda has to be. I mean, I know Gambit was technically in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, but it's pretty heavily implied that the Gambit we met in D&W is from a pruned timeline.

I'd love if we get introduced to Gambit as Mobius's new partner or something in Doomsday (really seems like the TVA needs to be involved, and we have to see Loki somehow), though that would kind of require a lot of other characters being dragged in.

Jayson1 said:
Sadie Sink for sure will be introduced IMO. She has got to be playing Jean Grey I would imagine.
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Except she's reportedly being introduced in Spider-Man 4, which is a weird place for Jean Gray to be.

Of course, Spider-Man 4 is going to be released between Doomsday and Secret Wars, so for all we know it's all on Battle World or something.
 
Just occurred to me that she could be Miles Morales Mary Jane. Granted that means she isn't a X-Men though.
 
Mage said:
As for Gambit.... Some people claim that in this end credit scene, we see in his eyes a reflection of a portal opening.

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That's just silly. That's just the natural reflection of light. Plus, there's no movement of light, which is a hallmark of Marvel Sparkle Circles.
 
eschaton said:
It doesn't matter if that's actually true, that's the impression the people who didn't watch the movie got, and became part of the post-release CW.

Frankly, given the extensive re-edits the movie clearly had (with clunky exposition scenes plopped in), it's likely the original cut was a bit more reliant on prior knowledge of those properties as well.
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I don't think there's any reason to assume that, since there are many reasons a film could have been re-edited; indeed, reshoots are routine for any movie with the time and budget to permit them, since revision is a natural and essential part of the creative process.

As I said, the very nature of the story -- three protagonists meeting for the first time or reuniting after a long time, needing to learn about each other and find a way to work together -- has exposition built into it on a fundamental level. Not to mention that exposition is one of the most elementary tools in a writer's kit, so it's implausible that anyone would construct a story that lacked it. It's rather like assuming that someone designed a car and forgot to give it windows.
 
So, the kitchen sink (minus those that crapped out at the Box Office, save for Cap 2.0), an RDJ resurrection and apparently, more to follow. Minus any build up (though the Russo brothers have framed this as a beginning than an ending).

I'm not uninterested. But my enthusiasm / investment for the MCU and its culmination was built across Phase 1 - 3. This line up seems as egregiously 'membeberry as Picard S3.

As a big fan of the planet-devouring cosmic entity, I'm giving F4 a shot to pull me back in.
 
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