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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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"Sharon Carter being the Power Broker; having her secretly become an international Queenpin of crime and smuggling was a brilliant narrative choice, and Emily VanCamp slayed the duplicity of the character"
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I really hated that. I hated that in ways one could not possibly imagine. I didn't see it as a brilliant narrative choice. Only lazy writing, which began with the mishandling of her character in "Captain America: Civil War".
 
I thought she was good in the role. I could use a little more reasoning as why she went down that path but I like the actor and liked how she was used in the tv series.
 
B.J. said:
Even now, whenever a "new" character shows up in the MCU, I have to search around and figure out why I should care about this character.
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That's getting the cause and effect backward. The job of any story is to make you care about the characters, and whether they were depicted previously or not should be beside the point. The only reason characters like Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four became familiar in the first place is because the writers of their original stories in the early '60s wrote them well enough to make audiences care about them when they were brand-new. The reason C- or D-list comics characters like Iron Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy spawned hit franchises is because the filmmakers told their stories well enough to make general, non-comics audiences care about them even without prior knowledge.

And you can turn it around -- even if audiences cared about a character before, they can lose interest if a new story about that character is poorly done. Audiences that cared about Superman thanks to the first couple of Christopher Reeve movies lost interest when the later movies flopped.

So the only thing that can tell you why you should care about a character in a movie is the movie itself.
 
Christopher said:
That's getting the cause and effect backward. The job of any story is to make you care about the characters, and whether they were depicted previously or not should be beside the point. The only reason characters like Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four became familiar in the first place is because the writers of their original stories in the early '60s wrote them well enough to make audiences care about them when they were brand-new. The reason C- or D-list comics characters like Iron Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy spawned hit franchises is because the filmmakers told their stories well enough to make general, non-comics audiences care about them even without prior knowledge.

And you can turn it around -- even if audiences cared about a character before, they can lose interest if a new story about that character is poorly done. Audiences that cared about Superman thanks to the first couple of Christopher Reeve movies lost interest when the later movies flopped.

So the only thing that can tell you why you should care about a character in a movie is the movie itself.
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That's true, although sometimes I do have to look around after seeing the story to figure out what's going on. That's more a failure of the writers though. (Poor example: I had no idea who the purple guy was in the post-credits scene of Avengers.) But when all the comic book fans are gushing and going "OMG! We're getting a _____ story!" and I have no idea what they're talking about, curiosity tends to win out.
 
B.J. said:
(Poor example: I had no idea who the purple guy was in the post-credits scene of Avengers.) But when all the comic book fans are gushing and going "OMG! We're getting a _____ story!" and I have no idea what they're talking about, curiosity tends to win out.
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Well, in a situation like that, it's a teaser for those in the know and not a story element. I've been the flip side of that with Shazam when they teased Mister Mind during the mid-credits scene. I had no clue who he was but I could tell by the reactions that it was a fun set-up (sadly never followed up on...).

As you said, a poor example.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Agreed. Unless one is a longtime comic book reader, or a younger one interested in taking deep historical dives into old issues, "Taskmaster" would draw a blank with many.



Interesting if true.
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But you know how the internet is. It doesn't matter how popular the character is in the comic but how well received the character was in the movie. In the movie you go most of the movie thinking it's a man, because the role is mostly played by a man up until the reveal. For some older nerds this plays as a insult because they gender switched a popular character they loved, where as others it comes off as a cheap gimmick for a twist ending. So lots of the usual suspects will make lots of loud noises because of culture war issues and nerd war issues.

In the past the MCU was not damaged by most of this noise but these days it is slightly different. We are no longer in the pre-Endgame MCU world. Between MCU fatigue brought on by some lack luster movies and shows and a major cultural real world shift with Trump winning with a mandate then the noise isn't quite as easy to ignore as in the past. I mean the MCU is still in a better place than Star Wars is were now even good shows are being ignored and Kennedy is terrified at making another movie because they still have lived down the Sequel mistakes, but I do image they try and avoid it as much as possible, I mean just look at how quickly they had Mackie make a statement after the Captain America doesn't represent America commotion. In the past I am not even sure they would have responded at all but now they feel they have to, at least to some degree.
 
B.J. said:
That's true, although sometimes I do have to look around after seeing the story to figure out what's going on. That's more a failure of the writers though. (Poor example: I had no idea who the purple guy was in the post-credits scene of Avengers.)
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Definitely a poor example. You didn't need to know who the purple guy in the tag was; all that mattered to the story was that he was the mastermind behind the Chitauri attack and had plans to try again in the future. It wasn't a failure of the writers to leave that as a vague tease to be explained later, any more than it's a failure of a mystery writer not to reveal the murderer in the first scene. It was an intentional withholding of information to whet the audience's curiosity.

Yes, those of us who knew who Thanos was got a little more out of the scene, like being able to appreciate the clever pun of Thanos smiling when told he'd be "courting Death." But that was just a bonus, unnecessary for comprehension of the film itself. Particularly since the MCU abandoned the whole "Thanos is in love with the anthropomorphic embodiment of Death" business altogether, so the pun didn't even work within that context.
 
DigificWriter said:
A few clickbait sites have come up with the notion that Taskmaster not really being seen in the trailer(s) means that she's going to die, which is as desperately reaching as the idea that Marvel Studios is 'hiding' her.
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It seems pretty likely to me since we see a whole bunch of scenes with the rest of the team where she is noticeably absent, so something must happen to keep her from taking part in a lot of the team stuff. The two most likely options would be that she dies or betrays the team, and given how powerful the villain their dealing with is, death seems pretty likely. She's also easily one of the least popular members of the team, and isn't really seem to be that important, so if anyone is going to die, she does seem like the most likely candidate.
 
Jayson1 said:
But you know how the internet is. It doesn't matter how popular the character is in the comic but how well received the character was in the movie. In the movie you go most of the movie thinking it's a man, because the role is mostly played by a man up until the reveal. For some older nerds this plays as a insult because they gender switched a popular character they loved, where as others it comes off as a cheap gimmick for a twist ending. So lots of the usual suspects will make lots of loud noises because of culture war issues and nerd war issues.
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Without question, we will hear the idiotic cries of "gender swapping" about the character. If they are still screaming about a black Captain America (this from the "source" advocates who conveniently forget a certain history of the Cap character), they will most certainly rant and predict the fall of Western society for one character's gender swapping in a movie.

In the past the MCU was not damaged by most of this noise but these days it is slightly different. We are no longer in the pre-Endgame MCU world. Between MCU fatigue brought on by some lack luster movies and shows and a major cultural real world shift with Trump winning with a mandate then the noise isn't quite as easy to ignore as in the past.
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Disney/Marvel Studios' plans for future projects do not appear to have been run through the approval meter of the screaming zealots who see anything other than their fantasies about themselves on screen

and Kennedy is terrified at making another movie because they still have lived down the Sequel mistakes
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Terrified? I'm not certain about that, since the Rey movie is still going forward, and that character was one of the central sources of criticism hurled at the Sequel trilogy.


I mean just look at how quickly they had Mackie make a statement after the Captain America doesn't represent America commotion. In the past I am not even sure they would have responded at all but now they feel they have to, at least to some degree.
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In the past, they did not respond to this degree, so its astoundingly wrongheaded and telling PR if Disney/Marvel Studios pushed the Black Male Actor cast as the Black Captain America to clarify a statement similar to one Chris Evans made during the release of Captain America: The First Avenger, yet Evans did not not receive mass hatred or calls to apologize. Yeah, no one has to wonder why.

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Nearly 60 years old, and the Marvel Superheroes Cap cartoons are among the best adaptations of Marvel characters.
 
It looks like a Japanese poster might have explained what the asterisk in Thunderbolt. At the bottom of the poster is a second asterisk which say *The Avengers were not available. From the tone of the trainers, I could definitely see that popping up after the title at the end of the movie.
 
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