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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Jayson1 said:
I don't see why they can be part of the main universe. Agent Carter does have issues with Captain America going back in time but I guess that raises the old question of whether or not he created alternate timeline. I think he did and likely was very active at stopping or trying to stop lots of the bad things that he knew could happen, from knowing they happened in the main universe. I kind of like the idea that this new universe is were the Mutants were created and who will eventually merge into the main universe.
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I don't know about that. Let's pretend that Chris Evans going back in time does not create an extra timeline. If he doesn't meet up with Peggy until after the events of her series and keeps a low profile in the shadows then it sheds a different light on the Winter Soldier scene but doesn't really contradict it. We could also assume that the Inhumans in SHIELD moved to the Moon or something shortly after Season 3 as there is nothing in the movies that directly contradicts their existence up until that point. SHIELD is still in the mainstream MCU up until the Season 5 finale. The only thing contradicting Season 6 being in the MCU universe is the idea that it is highly unlikely that all the members of the team survived the blip.
 
The problem is Steve's ethics. I don't think he could just sit back and do nothing and allow bad stuff to happen. Especially if the timeline folds out anyways like the one he came for and he knows some stuff that will be happening. Not to mention Peggy's future cancer. I suppose he could put on another costume and fight as something other than Captain America. Which actually would be kind of interesting.
 
Jayson1 said:
The problem is Steve's ethics. I don't think he could just sit back and do nothing and allow bad stuff to happen. Especially if the timeline folds out anyways like the one he came for and he knows some stuff that will be happening. Not to mention Peggy's future cancer. I suppose he could put on another costume and fight as something other than Captain America. Which actually would be kind of interesting.
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I always saw it as a prime directive sort of situation for him. Especially given that Strange warned that there was only one future in which Thanos could be stopped. Yes, Steve could go through the 1960s and beyond saving JFK, MLK or RFK, as well as Howard Stark etc but what would that do to the timeline and at what ultimate cost?
 
Jayson1 said:
The problem is Steve's ethics. I don't think he could just sit back and do nothing and allow bad stuff to happen. Especially if the timeline folds out anyways like the one he came for and he knows some stuff that will be happening. Not to mention Peggy's future cancer. I suppose he could put on another costume and fight as something other than Captain America. Which actually would be kind of interesting.
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Except if you assume it's possible to stay in the same timeline that still doesn't change Hulk's one and only 100% clear rule about time travel: you can't change your own past. In other words, if Steve is in his own past then he must always have been in his own past. It's a predestination paradox. His actions - including anything he might try to do to prevent TWS - were always a part of his past. Those events don't happen because he 'just sits back and does nothing', they happen because he's just never able to prevent them. But he can still spend his life fighting for good, he'll just never succesfully destroy Hydra or prevent any specific bad thing that already happened in his past.

This is also, incidentally, the biggest reason AoS doesn't work in the MCU continuity (technically not even multiversal continuity). The AoS changed their own past when they prevented the destruction of Earth from the Graviton/Quake fight.

Not that that automatically prevents anyone from ignoring inconsistencies whenever they want to - the Fox-men changed their own past as well but got folded into the multiverse anyway.
 
theenglish said:
We could also assume that the Inhumans in SHIELD moved to the Moon or something shortly after Season 3 as there is nothing in the movies that directly contradicts their existence up until that point.
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Funny -- I just made that same suggestion in a parallel conversation on this subject on another site. I guess it's a natural idea given the available information.

theenglish said:
The only thing contradicting Season 6 being in the MCU universe is the idea that it is highly unlikely that all the members of the team survived the blip.
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As I also mentioned in that other conversation, the same goes for the core Iron Man cast and the original Avengers (though not Fury), while other casts like Ant-Man's and Spider-Man's were almost completely Blipped, at the convenience of the storytellers. I submit that it's not unlikely at all; if half of 7 billion people were taken at random, there's no reason to expect it to break down to 50% of every small sample of people. If you flip a coin 7 billion times, there are bound to be long runs of heads or long runs of tails in there somewhere, because the very nature of randomness means it isn't uniform except on the large scale.
 
JD said:
Now it looks like Doctor Strange is in Avengers: Doomsday after all, during an interview at Sundance Film Festival Benedict Cumerbatch said that he was mistaken and he actually is in the movie.
https://ew.com/benedict-cumberbatch-clarifies-doctor-strange-avengers-doomsday-8783071
I wonder if he really just got mixed up or if maybe he thought he couldn't say he was, and then got the OK from Marvel to talk about it now.
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Someone did a quick rewrite when the angry emails came pouring in!
 
Captaindemotion said:
No Chris Evans for Doomsday if he’s to be believed: https://variety.com/2025/film/news/...ygp3eo_jmu5P_6BMrA_aem_KX-PzIE3biny0dEQytuK2g
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Good. There are far stronger reasons Evans should hold to his world and never return to the MCU--much of it to do with his statement (several years ago) when he said Mackie is Captain America, a fact which is still the source of innumerable Marvel fans' bitterness and distaste. Evans coming back in any capacity would give certain fans false hope of seeing him in the role they believe should only be portrayed by a certain kind of person.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Good. There are far stronger reasons Evans should hold to his world and never return to the MCU--much of it to do with his statement (several years ago) when he said Mackie is Captain America, a fact which is still the source of innumerable Marvel fans' bitterness and distaste. Evans coming back in any capacity would give certain fans false hope of seeing him in the role they believe should only be portrayed by a certain kind of person.
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It would be particularly bad form to announce his return a fortnight before Mackie’s first CA film in the lead role opens.
 
Captaindemotion said:
It would be particularly bad form to announce his return a fortnight before Mackie’s first CA film in the lead role opens.
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It would be bad form for Evans to return to the MCU at any time, all for the ill-minded ranting some MCU fans are still doing about Mackie in that role, which they believe only "belongs" to Evans.
 
Not really. Fans love Evans in the role. Studios should never let internet drama impact what they want to do. If Mackie wins fans over then that will only make people want to see them team up like we saw with the 3 Spider-Mans in 'No Way Home." If he doesn't win people over then people will want to see their favorite come back and do the role again. I actually got a theory we might even see Bucky at some point take on the role and at some point we will see the 3 Captain America's together again in one movie.
 
Tosk said:
Funny how Ross' hair gets darker at the top when he Rulks.
Not that I mind...I'm just glad he doesn't have a mustache that retreats into his lip when he changes. ;)
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I kind of would have liked to have seen a mustached Red Hulk. Surely someone online has already rendered this image. Just haven't looked.
 
They said in the article that they did work on versions of the movie Red Hulk with the mustache so we'll probably see those somewhere along the line after the movie is out, either in an art of book, the concept artists' social media, or the Assembled episode.
 
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