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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Rich Watson said:
The long rumoured Vision TV series is happening and with Terry Matalis in charge has actually got my interest. Though thanks to the two a year rule it won't be seen before 2026.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/t...n-series-paul-bettany-disney-plus-1235906189/
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Since Terry is a legitimate showrunner, not a comparable nobody like most of whom Marvel picks for their TV shows, I think there's a greater chance that he'll have the pull to actually present a coherent creative vision, rather than just pen a rough draft that Kevin Feige fixes in post.
 
Hrrrmm. Most of the creatives in Hollywood whose work I hate have at least one thing on their filmography that I like. I hope for the best.
 
Apparently Feige and Matalis hit it off really well

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/marvel-vision-paul-bettany-terry-matalas-1236003735/

Marvel brought in Matalas after his work running Season 3 of “Star Trek: Picard” — which brought back the cast of “Star Trek: The Next Generation” to widespread acclaim, garnering Matalas a WGA award nomination for the 2023 series finale — greatly impressed the top brass at the studio. (Marvel chief Kevin Feige, an avid Trekkie, even recently appeared with Matalas on a two-hour episode of the “Star Trek” podcast “Inglorious Treksperts.”)
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The Feige is pleased
 
Rich Watson said:
The long rumoured Vision TV series is happening and with Terry Matalis in charge has actually got my interest. Though thanks to the two a year rule it won't be seen before 2026.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/t...n-series-paul-bettany-disney-plus-1235906189/
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I just saw this news elsewhere and I'm very excited. I loved Matlas' work on Picard so I'm very curious to see what he'll do for VisionQuest, although curiously, Variety (who broke the news) doesn't refer to the show by that title. I guess that was Jac Schaeffer's idea and Matlas may have a different idea?
 
Season 3 of Picard got too much into the Gutless Fanservice method for me, at first I liked it but by the end the whole thing about "Picard's secret son being the Borg's secret weapon" just got ridiculous
 
Picard season 3 was just fine. It was exactly what it was supposed to be. When you get the band back together for a reunion tour, you play your greatest hits, not the crap that you wrote for your solo albums or stuff written for the occasion. I look forward to seeing what he brings to the table for Marvel. His work on 12 Monkeys was stellar.

ETA-- and I have to admit being as over the phrase "fan service" as I am over the phrase "canon violation".
 
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Turtletrekker said:
Picard season 3 was just fine. It was exactly what it was supposed to be. When you get the band back together for a reunion tour, you play your greatest hits, not the crap that you wrote for your solo albums or stuff written for the occasion.
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And that's exactly what it failed to do. Paying homage to TNG shouldn't just be about reuniting the cast and rebuilding the bridge. What defined TNG and made it iconic was the same thing that had made TOS iconic in the '60s: the fact that it was far more intelligent, thoughtful, meaningful, and well-made than most of its contemporaries in science fiction TV. But PIC season 3 was, quite simply, inane. It was lowbrow and silly and incoherent and implausible and ethically problematical, and that was not a celebration of TNG, it was an insult to it.
 
Christopher said:
And that's exactly what it failed to do. Paying homage to TNG shouldn't just be about reuniting the cast and rebuilding the bridge. What defined TNG and made it iconic was the same thing that had made TOS iconic in the '60s: the fact that it was far more intelligent, thoughtful, meaningful, and well-made than most of its contemporaries in science fiction TV. But PIC season 3 was, quite simply, inane. It was lowbrow and silly and incoherent and implausible and ethically problematical, and that was not a celebration of TNG, it was an insult to it.
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Ah. I'm so sorry. I actually really enjoyed season 3 of Picard, according to my own personal likes and dislikes. I wasn't aware it was actually an insult. I shall quickly correct my personal opinion to that of the governed Star Trek law.

*EDIT* Sorry, should specify I'm holding a 'sarcasm sign'.
 
Mage said:
Ah. I'm so sorry. I actually really enjoyed season 3 of Picard, according to my own personal likes and dislikes. I wasn't aware it was actually an insult. I shall quickly correct my personal opinion to that of the governed Star Trek law.

*EDIT* Sorry, should specify I'm holding a 'sarcasm sign'.
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Your penance for liking subpar Star Trek shall be coming shortly.


*equally sarcastic.
 
Christopher said:
And that's exactly what it failed to do. Paying homage to TNG shouldn't just be about reuniting the cast and rebuilding the bridge. What defined TNG and made it iconic was the same thing that had made TOS iconic in the '60s: the fact that it was far more intelligent, thoughtful, meaningful, and well-made than most of its contemporaries in science fiction TV. But PIC season 3 was, quite simply, inane. It was lowbrow and silly and incoherent and implausible and ethically problematical, and that was not a celebration of TNG, it was an insult to it.
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I didn't notice any of that in Picard Season 3, I thought it was great. But then I also liked Season 2, so maybe I'm just weird.
Either way after seeing what he did with Picard and 12 Monkeys, I'm pretty excited to see what Terry Matalas does with Vision.
 
JD said:
Either way after seeing what he did with Picard and 12 Monkeys, I'm pretty excited to see what Terry Matalas does with Vision.
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Actually that's what worries me. 12 Monkeys was fairly good, but given a job in a long-running franchise, he prioritized fanservice and continuity porn over everything else. I'm afraid he'll do the same with a Marvel series.
 
Christopher said:
Actually that's what worries me. 12 Monkeys was fairly good, but given a job in a long-running franchise, he prioritized fanservice and continuity porn over everything else. I'm afraid he'll do the same with a Marvel series.
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That was pretty much what I expected from Picard Season 3 the moment we found out the OG TNG cast was coming back, and I thought it was fun and well done "fanservice and continuity porn".
 
When I saw Paul McCartney on his "Got Back" tour in 2022, did I know going in that his voice wasn't what it once was, that his band did some of the heavy lifting, that the set list hadn't changed much, that he told some of the same stories? Yes. Did I care? No. Because it's Paul F*ckin' McCartney and the chance to see the man possibly one last time was enough to purchase tickets. I felt the same way about Season Three of Picard. Is it fanservice? Yes. But it's a chance to see the band back together one last time.
 
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