Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Well, there was Clint Barton / Ronin there for a little while. Kamala Khan and Kate Bishop both seem to be doing the crime fighting thing.
Right. They are still a minority. The MCU in this regard is quite different from its printed counterpart.
As much as I still love the MCU, I've found that the streaming shows have been of such mixed quality that I no longer consider them must watch by default like I do with the movies. For example I liked Hawkeye and I liked Echo in Hawkeye but I just have no desire to watch Echo. The comparisons to the Netflix shows was what mainly drove me off, the MCU should not be emulating them even if they're now using some of their characters, although them changing her powers to generic mystical Native American tropes is also BS. I definitely won't be watching Iron Heart, I felt neutral toward her in BP2 (which still makes her one of the better characters in that film, unfortunately) but I don't need to see any more with her, she's just not compelling.
But not watching some of the shows really doesn't seem to matter. I didn't bother with Ms. Marvel, but The Marvels was perfectly watchable and enjoyable without seeing Ms. Marvel's TV show. What If is probably the biggest missed potential of any of these shows, it can literally do anything with any MCU character but its mostly boring garbage with mediocre animation. I don't think that Season 2 had a single episode that I'd even describe as tolerable, much less good its probably the biggest waste of time of any of the MCU shows.
All of that said I am still excited for some of the upcoming shows, specifically the Agatha spinoff of Wandavision that keeps changing its name, the Daredevil and Wonder Man shows and Vision Quest (if its still getting made, its listed as still coming but I haven't heard anything about it in awhile).
But not watching some of the shows really doesn't seem to matter. I didn't bother with Ms. Marvel, but The Marvels was perfectly watchable and enjoyable without seeing Ms. Marvel's TV show. What If is probably the biggest missed potential of any of these shows, it can literally do anything with any MCU character but its mostly boring garbage with mediocre animation. I don't think that Season 2 had a single episode that I'd even describe as tolerable, much less good its probably the biggest waste of time of any of the MCU shows.
All of that said I am still excited for some of the upcoming shows, specifically the Agatha spinoff of Wandavision that keeps changing its name, the Daredevil and Wonder Man shows and Vision Quest (if its still getting made, its listed as still coming but I haven't heard anything about it in awhile).
And yet, while defending Luke Jacobson, Matt Murdock argued that the necessity for Luke to maintain confidentiality with his clients was due to the need to keep their identities secret in order to protect their loved ones. That would imply that it is a more common place phenomenon than it may seem on the surface.
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Loeb is a moron and the "Man of Action" produced Marvel cartoons in general were all awful. But they have nothing to do with What If, which is a Marvel Studios produced animated series meant to tie in to the MCU (even if its multiversal). What If is also made for the general MCU audience, not the kids cartoon audience that the Loeb cartoons, or even cartoons like the excellent Avengers EMH, were made for. Outside of both being animated they are basically incomparable, its an apples to oranges kind of thing. Animation is just one way to tell a story, its not its own genre and not all animated projects are made for the same audiences.
Both things can be true. And in this case, are.
The MCU owes a great deal to the Ultimate comics that were being published back when it started. As for the double identity issue, that was at its oddest during the Defenders series when Matt was the only one in costume--at that point, at least Danny should have had a costume.
Loeb was in charge of all the Animated stuff, which means he'd have had a say in "What If?" as well if he hadn't been sacked before it began production. He'd have undoubtedly tried to dumb it down as much as he could.
It's interesting how the DCE instead follows (followed?) the "vigilante superhero with secret identity" formula almost slavishly.
Oh yeah, anything he was involved with would be worst obviously. I still don't like What If?, but I can't argue that Loeb wouldn't have found some way to make it worse.
But remember he got fired because Kevin Feige took control of the TV stuff after Ike Perlmutter was finally kicked to the curb and all of Marvel TV Studios was folded and control of those types of shows given to Feige/the main MCU people, so there was a lot going on with the various TV stuff in general even beyond Loeb, although he was obviously the worst creative force while he was around.
Look, this isn't the nicest thing to say, but Loeb lost his talent as a writer and a creative when his son died. He was never the same after that, the quality of his work was never the same after that, and the only reason he had a job at Marvel at all anymore was because he was a Yes-Man to Ike Perlmutter who never questioned him. Probably because he was aware his value was next to nil and he had to be a Yes-Man or be kicked to the curb.
With Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Henson seen shooting 'Daredevil' today it's both crazy that they ever thought to make the series without them and crazy that they've scrapped multiple shot episodes to bring them back.
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Alaqua Cox and whoever's playing the White Tiger.
To be fair, is IS called "Daredevil".
Even Batman has stories without his sidekicks.
She also hasn't even been in the comics for over 20 years now.
Even Batman has stories without his sidekicks.
She also hasn't even been in the comics for over 20 years now.
Yes, but part of the great success of the original show was trio of Cox, Woll, and Henson. They gave the necessary balance for Matt and that's why it feels unfathomable to bring back Cox and not them, too.
I don't think they scrapped them exclusively to bring those two back. They decided the version they'd shot wasn't working and needed to be retooled, and part of the retooling (perhaps a large part, from what we've been hearing) was to bring it back into continuity with the Netflix series.
Daredevil: Born Again turns out to have been a prescient title.