Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[The Nth Doctor]

I tend to agree Jessica is the more likely to be next up, if only because it makes more sense. She's easily the most popular and recognisable of the bunch after Daredevil (Luke being a close third IMO), and given her vocation the easiest to slot into almost any other show for a cameo re-introduction.
'Daughters of the Dragon' would need a little more set-up since the concept itself is a little more involved and to put it bluntly; not a lot of people bothered with Iron Fist. You'd all but have to start from scratch with them.

Yeah, I agree Daughters of the Dragon is a lot more difficult to jump into, especially with the lack of love for Iron Fist.

The best way to do it is to introduce them already working together in whatever fashion on another show (such as Born Again) and then proceed to their own show, where they can work back to their establishment, much like they just did with Echo.

That said, considering the unfortunate pushback on so many shows in recent years (with only Loki, What If...?, and Echo getting any kind of follow up), that scenario seems unlikely to happen anytime soon (sadly, it seems like we won't even get any kind of follow-up for Moon Knight in particular). I guess it depends on how well received Born Again is from the general audience.

On the positive side; I think Maslany's performance was well received enough that the character can still pop up elsewhere, either in shows or movies.
Is 'Planet Hulk' still on the slate? I forget.

Was that ever officially confirmed and/or announced or was it just wildly speculated based on She-Hulk and other crumbs?

Generally speaking; budget overruns on these kinds of productions usually stems from pushing the production into overtime. Overtime is expensive; potentially the greatest expenditure on any production. Going over for just a week can mean you've blown a month's budget but may only have a few days worth of work to show for it. Not only does this mean you're also the best part of a week behind, but if as a bonus; unless the release date can be moved, you've just massively cut into available post production time too.
Which brings us to bad VFX, which are almost always the result of a rushed schedule with artists not given enough time and/or not properly consulted during the production phase and instead just told to "fix" it all in post. Again; rush means overtime, which means more money for diminishing returns of quality.
Contrary to popular belief you can't simply throw money at every problem

This is where the old triple constraint comes into play; you can have something fast and cheap, but it won't be good. You can have it good and cheap, but it won't be fast. Or you can have something fast and good, but it won't be cheap. A total failure to manage this balance can result in something that's neither good, fast, nor cheap.

I don't know if any of this is what went down with 'She-Hulk', but it wouldn't surprise me with such an effect heavy TV show.

All true but as I was reminded when I skimmed the show's review thread this morning, there was a lot of impressive CGI work done for the show that most fans seem to overlook (deliberately or otherwise), particularly in regards to her movements and interactions with other elements such as that sequin dress.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Yeah, I agree Daughters of the Dragon is a lot more difficult to jump into, especially with the lack of love for Iron Fist.

The best way to do it is to introduce them already working together in whatever fashion on another show (such as Born Again) and then proceed to their own show, where they can work back to their establishment, much like they just did with Echo.

That said, considering the unfortunate pushback on so many shows in recent years (with only Loki, What If...?, and Echo getting any kind of follow up), that scenario seems unlikely to happen anytime soon (sadly, it seems like we won't even get any kind of follow-up for Moon Knight in particular). I guess it depends on how well received Born Again is from the general audience.


Was that ever officially confirmed and/or announced or was it just wildly speculated based on She-Hulk and other crumbs?


All true but as I was reminded when I skimmed the show's review thread this morning, there was a lot of impressive CGI work done for the show that most fans seem to overlook (deliberately or otherwise), particularly in regards to her movements and interactions with other elements such as that sequin dress.

Planet Hulk was never officially announced I don't think. A lot of people took the Skaar scene in combination with the news that Universal no longer holds Hulk rights as unofficial confirmation, but even if that were the case, it would likely be pushed way back after all the other delays considering it's never even been announced anyway.

 

[Commander Troi]

Yeah, that's not a surprise, unfortunately. I loved every moment of the season but I know I'm in the minority, alas.

I’m in that minority too

Me three! I loved the hell outta She-Hulk!

Yeah, I agree Daughters of the Dragon is a lot more difficult to jump into, especially with the lack of love for Iron Fist.

The best way to do it is to introduce them already working together in whatever fashion on another show (such as Born Again) and then proceed to their own show, where they can work back to their establishment, much like they just did with Echo.

I'd certainly love to see them in Born Again - or anywhere else, really.

 

[The Knappos]

Universal no longer holds Hulk rights

That’s not quite right as I understand it.

The distribution rights for The Incredible Hulk (2008) have reverted to Marvel, as they were only with Universal for an initial 15 year period.

Universal still retain a first refusal distribution right over any newly produced Hulk movie.

So, if Marvel decided to make a solo Hulk movie, they have to ask Universal if they want to distribute it. If Universal said yes, then I am unsure whether the 15 years is standard or if they’d negotiate a new period for that specific film.

Though, I am sure the rumours are for World War Hulk, not Planet Hulk. What with Ppanet Hulk having been partially adapted in passing in Thor: Ragnarok.

World War Hulk may or may not trigger Universal’s first refusal clause because it would arguably be an Avengers (or whole of MCU) movie.

Personally, I don’t believe the WWH rumours. Though with Rulk coming along, could it be possible that he comes for Skaar and kicks off the whole thing? Who knows.

 

[JD]

I'm really disappointed to see that there probably won't be anymore She-Hulk, I really enjoyed it.
I've been kind of surprised we haven't gotten second seasons or follow ups for more than just Loki, Hawkeye, and What If?. Have the other shows all failed that miserably?

 

[fireproof78]

Have the other shows all failed that miserably?

No.

Finances are that tight.

 

[JD]

Ah, I see.

 

[Anwar]

Most the shows were meant to be one-offs to begin with, aside from possibly Loki. Like everyone who kept asking about a 2nd season of WandaVision, they just didn't get that it was meant to be a one-shot show.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

True but some shows like Moon Knight had some deliberate hanging threads to follow up on.

Granted, so did WandaVision but at least we know where those are being followed up at (The Multiverse of Madness, The Marvels, Agatha: Darkhold Diaries, Vision Quest, etc.).

 

[JD]

Oh right, I forgot we are Agatha: Darkhold Diaries, and Vision Quest as follow ups to WandaVision.
So I guess that just leaves Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, and She-Hulk as the only ones probably not getting follow up series. Although Ms. Marvel did get The Marvels.

 

[eschaton]

So I guess that just leaves Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, and She-Hulk as the only ones probably not getting follow up series. Although Ms. Marvel did get The Marvels.

I wouldn't be surprised if She-Hulk pops up again somewhere. Even with a very different tone, it would be...odd...if she didn't at least have a cameo in Daredevil. Unless they mean to have them break up offscreen, basically undoing the show entirely.

Moon Knight is the weird one though. I have been on the record for saying I think there should be a mashup of the cast with Werewolf By Night, plus Blade, to get a full MCU Midnight Suns going.

 

[Tuskin38]

I’m rewatching Agents of Shield. I’ve only seen each episode once when they aired, so it’s practically new for me.

Seriously, I’m 4 episodes into season 1, and the only episode I have any memory of so far is episode 1.

Also what was the budget? They filmed in Sweden in episode 4.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I wouldn't be surprised if She-Hulk pops up again somewhere. Even with a very different tone,

That would be welcome, especially if she's to be involved in the bigger event(s) to come.

 

[Reverend]

I wouldn't be surprised if She-Hulk pops up again somewhere. Even with a very different tone, it would be...odd...if she didn't at least have a cameo in Daredevil. Unless they mean to have them break up offscreen, basically undoing the show entirely.

If Deadpool can work in the MCU (and they're obviously determined to make him work) I see no reason why She-Hulk would be any different. Also; no reason why "She-Hulk" has to appear just because Maslany shows up as Jen in say; Daredevil. It'll keep the budget down if nothing else.

Side note: irrelevant to my point but I'd like to see Jen and Wade in something together! The comedic potential of two serial fourth wall breakers seems too good not to just go for it. I'm seeing something of a cross between '48 Hours' and 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind', but with the soundtrack to 'Working Girl'.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I’m rewatching Agents of Shield. I’ve only seen each episode once when they aired, so it’s practically new for me.

Seriously, I’m 4 episodes into season 1, and the only episode I have any memory of so far is episode 1.

Also what was the budget? They filmed in Sweden in episode 4.

Not sure about the budget, but according to wikipedia, Agents of SHIELD filmed in Paris (Pilot) Stockholm (Eye Spy) and Old San Juan (...Ye Who Enter Here) during its first two seasons.

 

[eschaton]

That would be welcome, especially if she's to be involved in the bigger event(s) to come.

I dunno. The whole purpose of Jen's character arc was that she didn't want to be a superhero, and the story deciding that's ultimately okay.

Just turning her into one of the Avengers kinda invalidates all of She-Hulk.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Also; no reason why "She-Hulk" has to appear just because Maslany shows up as Jen in say; Daredevil. It'll keep the budget down if nothing else.

Yup, that works for me.

Side note: irrelevant to my point but I'd like to see Jen and Wade in something together! The comedic potential of two serial fourth wall breakers seems too good not to just go for it. I'm seeing something of a cross between '48 Hours' and 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind', but with the soundtrack to 'Working Girl'.

Gods, I need that to happen. Exactly in that format!

 

[Starkers]

If Deadpool can work in the MCU (and they're obviously determined to make him work) I see no reason why She-Hulk would be any different. Also; no reason why "She-Hulk" has to appear just because Maslany shows up as Jen in say; Daredevil. It'll keep the budget down if nothing else.

Side note: irrelevant to my point but I'd like to see Jen and Wade in something together! The comedic potential of two serial fourth wall breakers seems too good not to just go for it. I'm seeing something of a cross between '48 Hours' and 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind', but with the soundtrack to 'Working Girl'.

"Who are you talking to?"

"Who am I talking to? Who are you talking to?"

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I dunno. The whole purpose of Jen's character arc was that she didn't want to be a superhero, and the story deciding that's ultimately okay.

Just turning her into one of the Avengers kinda invalidates all of She-Hulk.

Not really. By the end of the show, she publicly announces her intention to go after anyone who harasses or harms innocent people as both a lawyer and a superhero. Obviously takes her out of contention for being a full time Avenger (not that any of the Avengers have really ever been full time anyway, except probably Dr. Strange) but showing up for a story would be fine.

 

[Set Harth]

Side note: irrelevant to my point but I'd like to see Jen and Wade in something together! The comedic potential of two serial fourth wall breakers seems too good not to just go for it.

That's 16 walls!!