Dustin Daniel Cretton has said that there was much, much more to Ta Lo than what we saw in the movie, with the village that we saw being akin to a border patrol station. Perhaps there could be some connection to K'un Lun.
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Finn's being Force-sensitive presented in a way I suspect was the creative process behind it: an afterthought. In any case, that blink-and-you-missed-it non-subplot was not enough to prevent Boyega from stating his justified issues with the treatment of Finn across the entire trilogy.
I'm not saying Abrams had it planned in advance, but there does happen to be a scene in TFA which (retroactively?) foreshadows Finn's Force sensitivity. On the question of his utility to the plot, he's employed similarly in TFA and TROS in that he has (or claims to have) information necessary to defeat the enemy. It's just that in TROS the information is gained via the Force. It sounds like people expected more from his character, but I'm not sure what.
People didn't know what to make of Finn. They expected him to be a Jedi, and all the posters of him with a lightsaber didn't help that. They expected him to be a clone but couldn't because he was black (nonsensical but what are you going to do?). They expected him to be a lot of different things and the film gave him a really limited identity, sadly, outside of being anti-First Order. Which, has dramatic potential, and in my opinion they should have dived in to that, with him flirting with the Dark Side a bit in a quest to bring down the powerful, an echo of Anakin in The Phantom Menace.
Instead, he became more a sidekick.
(Why are we talking about Star Wars here?)
Still hoping for a Daughters of the Dragon series...
Yup, I heard that before. I'm glad she did made that choice because she was excellent in The Matrix Resurrection.
Still hoping for a Daughters of the Dragon series...
I hope so. The two are almost conceptually identical, so it'd be weird to have them be entierly discrete east Asian myth themed secret mystical pocket dimensions guarding, or guarded by literal dragons and a bunch of Shaolin-esque style monks. It'd be like if there was a second, entirely unrelated Asgard. Rainbow bridge and all.
I should give that movie a second chance. I got like 15 mins in and just zoned out.
Yup.
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Don't get me started on that bullshit...Also, why do we talk DC here?
I had expected him to be one of the trilogy's leads throughout all three movies, be recognized as Force sensitive early in the trilogy and not have his character arc reduced to a joke or an afterthought.
In regard to the DCEU mentioned earlier on this thread - first, people complained that the franchise didn't follow the same formula as the MCU and now, some are saying that it tried to follow the same formula? Seriously?
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I don't need Daredevil back. I never really liked the series, aside from parts of Season 1. And I dislike Matt Murdock - at least Charlie Cox's version of the character. Am I being reactionary? Yes. But I'm also being honest.
The show itself has a lot of problems - a blond haired dude calling african-american kids "chattering monkeys"
I watched all of the first one but never finished any of the others. I did watch all of the punisher, iron fist and the defenders and they were solidly mediocre shows.
Finn and Poe were never meant to be more than plot devices to get Rey into the plot. Poe was to get Finn involved, Finn was there to get Rey involved. Poe wasn't even supposed to survive the opening of TFA in the first place and him coming back at the end was a later addition. This is why Finn ends TFA in a coma, it was in case they chose to just have him go brain dead and ever wake up in case they decided he was done. But then the fan reaction to him was really positive so they brought him back even though they didn't know what to do with him because he was never meant to be a major character.
The Sequels' storyline was always going to be about Rey and Ren first and foremost.
I think the biggest difficulty with that, aside from the "all eggs in one basket" thing, is that you end up with one director defining the approach for all these disparate characters. The director with the perfect sensibilities for Superman probably isn't the same person with the perfect sensibilities for Batman.
Hmm, not necessarily, because it's not uncommon for characters to change direction when new creative teams take them over, as has happened frequently in comics, as well as TV and no doubt film series. Look at Black Widow. In Iron Man 2 from Jon Favreau, she was just a one-dimensional, sexualized badass, but in The Avengers from Joss Whedon, she became a rich, multifaceted human being. You could say something similar about Wonder Woman in BvS under Snyder vs. her solo film under Patty Jenkins. The creators of later stories are not required to conform to the vision of their predecessors.
Although you have a point to the extent that where they decide to start out with a character can impose some limits on what comes later. For instance, Snyder's decision to do an older Dark Knight Returns-style Batman as the introduction to the character precluded doing any sequels about a Batman in his prime or early in his career, so they needed to reboot to do The Batman.
One thing that I think must be said for Joss Whedon is that in his Avengers films, the characters all had their distinctive speech patterns. I know that a lot of dialogue gets dismissed as being Whedonesque, generally smart-alecky one liners, but, to my ears anyway, Steve, Thor, Tony, Natasha etc. each had their own distinctive way of communicating.
There's next to no foreshadowing of Finn being Force sensitive in TFA. In fact, Abrams and Company went out of their way to constantly place Finn in situations where the idea of his being Force sensitive was deliberately undermined, as seen in the scene when he's handed the lightsaber to fight the troopers, and the non-duel with Ren, where his utter lack of even a hint of Force ability was glaring when contrasted to someone who never used the Force in any conscious way (Rey).
Knowing he was nothing more than a racial token / stereotype / ex-janitor set him up to be shoved off to a hollow, forgettable sub-plot in TLJ just to keep him around. No development whatsoever, taking a back seat to nearly all characters in the film, hence Boyega's statement:
"You knew what to do with these other people, but when it came to Kelly Marie Tran, when it came to John Boyega, you know f**k all.".
As anyone would expect.
Agreed; all that was set up in BvS which the Wonder Woman character was built on paid off in the 1st solo film, which did not come as a surprise, considering Snyder was one of the co-writers / producers of the film, so there would be consistency in her character and origin of her BvS beliefs / motivations as part of the building of the then-growing DCEU.
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I'm thinking of his Jakku freakout. That scene is quite oddly constructed if we rely on a surface reading of what's going on.