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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Oversaturated the market - especially over covid, no compelling story, no compelling new characters, and they've run out of ideas.
It was great upto Endgame, and far from home was fine as a coda to the entire series. I'd have liked to have seen Black Widow released post Civil War, pre Infinity War (obviously minus the end credit) too, but it should have taken a 10 year break after wrapping up with Far From Home, with maybe, at most, No Way Home and GotG 3 released around the time they were released.
I kept both CA1 and CM in their actual or approximate release order because of their teasers and/or credits stingers.
I also left Black Widow post-Endgame because of its credits stinger, although it could also go earlier in Phase 3.
The Spider-man movies have been surprisingly good. But the MCU from Disney
post End Game hasn’t been good.
My problem with the Disney + Marvel programming is they don't stream all of the episodes at once. I'm not interested in those characters that much to invest my time to wait every week to see the show. I believe these programs would do a lot better, ratings wise, if they went with the Netflix format; there I can watch 2 maybe 3 or 4 episodes at a time and if I really enjoy it... like STRANGER THINGS, I'll re-watch immediately and chat with my friends about it.
There's been a definite slip in quality, but I absolutely adored Shang-Chi, the Spider-Man movies, Guardians 3, WandaVision, both seasons of Loki, Hawkeye, Ms Marvel, She-Hulk and Werewolf by Night (both versions).
Wakanda Forever was a very solid entry into the mythos as was Falcon and The Winter Soldier, despite some of the latter's flaws.
I definitely agree that there's been a definite lack of focus. It's like they have three different plot threads loosely running throughout. The Multiverse (No Way Home, Dr Strange, Loki, Ant Man 3,The Marvels, Deadpool 3) global intrigue (Falcon and Winter Soldier, Wakanda Forever, Thunderbolts, Cap 4, Black Widow, ect; ) and street crime (Hawkeye, Echo, Daredevil. Doesn't it seem odd that Spider-Man isn't in this category?)
Everything else has seemed to fall within general world building and character studies and not been connected to the larger story and/or stories, which was one of the most fun aspects of phases 1 through 3.
ETA-- The only entries that I thought were actively not very good (Or worse) were Thor Love and Thunder and Secret Invasion.
Wakanda Forever was a very solid entry into the mythos as was Falcon and The Winter Soldier, despite some of the latter's flaws.
I definitely agree that there's been a definite lack of focus. It's like they have three different plot threads loosely running throughout. The Multiverse (No Way Home, Dr Strange, Loki, Ant Man 3,The Marvels, Deadpool 3) global intrigue (Falcon and Winter Soldier, Wakanda Forever, Thunderbolts, Cap 4, Black Widow, ect; ) and street crime (Hawkeye, Echo, Daredevil. Doesn't it seem odd that Spider-Man isn't in this category?)
Everything else has seemed to fall within general world building and character studies and not been connected to the larger story and/or stories, which was one of the most fun aspects of phases 1 through 3.
ETA-- The only entries that I thought were actively not very good (Or worse) were Thor Love and Thunder and Secret Invasion.
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You know, after Star Trek Enterprise was cancelled in 2005, the pundits confidently asserted that "franchise fatigue" made new Star Trek unviable and they should retire it for 10 or 20 years before trying again. And then the 2009 Star Trek movie became the most profitable film in the history of the franchise up to then, and in the past 18 years we've had more new Trek series than ever (albeit with fewer episodes apiece).
I can see some logic in the idea of Marvel slowing their pace a bit, but stopping entirely for a decade? That seems excessive.
There will only be one Marvel theatrical release in 2024, and I do expect Deadpool 3 to bring in the business. Hopefully that will give the public a bit of a breather and rekindle interest.
Posted this in the Marvels thread but it actually fits better here, I think:
Even Stephen King's taken notice of how strange the reaction to the movie has been (again, almost exclusively from those who haven't seen it because it's tough to find people who despise this movie as much as they appear to after actually having watched it)
"I don’t go to MCU movies, don’t care for them, but I find this barely masked gloating over the low box office for THE MARVELS very unpleasant. Why gloat over failure?"
Even Stephen King's taken notice of how strange the reaction to the movie has been (again, almost exclusively from those who haven't seen it because it's tough to find people who despise this movie as much as they appear to after actually having watched it)
"I don’t go to MCU movies, don’t care for them, but I find this barely masked gloating over the low box office for THE MARVELS very unpleasant. Why gloat over failure?"
Watched the "final trailer" on youtube which I don't normally to avoid spoilers. I'd already decided to skip this and wait for it to come onto Disney Plus though.
However then youtube came up with this:
I'm tempted to go see it just to spite the usual crowd
However then youtube came up with this:
I'm tempted to go see it just to spite the usual crowd
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It's what this world has come to. Shorter attention spans and instantaneous good or bad results at their fingerprints.
We've devolved to just "good or bad?" results
We've devolved to just "good or bad?" results
Sexism is one hell of a drug.
Marvel Studios’ season 2 finale of Loki went out with a blast attracting 11.2M global views over three-days, which is +3% from the season 2 first episode 3-day draw of 10.9M.
Loki‘s season 2 kickoff was the second most-watched season premiere this year on Disney+, behind March’s season 3 premiere of The Mandalorian.
The finale of the Marvel Studios series—which concluded last Thursday—was only behind the season three finale of The Mandalorian, which wrapped up its season in April.
https://deadline.com/2023/11/loki-season-2-finale-viewership-disney-1235601509/
Loki‘s season 2 kickoff was the second most-watched season premiere this year on Disney+, behind March’s season 3 premiere of The Mandalorian.
The finale of the Marvel Studios series—which concluded last Thursday—was only behind the season three finale of The Mandalorian, which wrapped up its season in April.
https://deadline.com/2023/11/loki-season-2-finale-viewership-disney-1235601509/
Devolved? Kind of, yes. But, this has been around for a long time, and is a part of humanity. "Black and White" thinking is among the more common thinking errors.
In short, because it proves a person right, even in their own mind. That the MCU is bad, or doing poorly or making the wrong creative choices and so they want to see punishment for the perceived bad choices. It's the same idea as hoping the guy speeding gets pulled over because he cut you off.
I think that's one of the problems right there. People are getting used to waiting for movies to come out on the streaming services they already have. We went to see The Marvels on Saturday night and THE WHOLE PLACE was nearly empty.
I truly don't understand this. I wouldn't say this was the "worst" anything. I quite enjoyed it and thought it was tight and funny.
^ You don't understand the concept of clickbait? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickbait
While sexism is absolutely a factor in the gloating over The Marvels flopping (with a significant boost from those amplifying toxic voices in order to dunk on them), sometimes the general public just enjoys a nice bit of schadenfreude, and it's been a while since there's been a particularly tasty bomb - there's not much fun in watching bland, ho-hum movies like Strange World, Amsterdam, Devotion, or West Side Story tanking. The last major failure that captured peoples' imaginations was probably 2019's Cats, which was a real doozy. The Marvels isn't anywhere near as confounding a movie as that, but it's always interesting when a giant stumbles, and, since the pandemic tempered expectations for Eternals, this is the MCU's first clear-cut major movie failure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickbait
While sexism is absolutely a factor in the gloating over The Marvels flopping (with a significant boost from those amplifying toxic voices in order to dunk on them), sometimes the general public just enjoys a nice bit of schadenfreude, and it's been a while since there's been a particularly tasty bomb - there's not much fun in watching bland, ho-hum movies like Strange World, Amsterdam, Devotion, or West Side Story tanking. The last major failure that captured peoples' imaginations was probably 2019's Cats, which was a real doozy. The Marvels isn't anywhere near as confounding a movie as that, but it's always interesting when a giant stumbles, and, since the pandemic tempered expectations for Eternals, this is the MCU's first clear-cut major movie failure.
Strongly disagree; I think weekly releases are far better to build up/maintain buzz, as regular people can discuss the latest episode without worrying that the people they're talking with have seen the whole season already. And, for popular shows, this incentives fans to subscribe for the duration of the season. Netflix pioneered this model to stand out and become known as a TV show producer, but even they're making gradual but clear efforts to evolve from it.
I much prefer weekly release. That way we get much more speculation and discussion amongst the fandom. When a show is released all at once, the conversation dies after about a week.
Yup.
People enjoy seeing things fall down, fail, and not be as good as people thought. There is a certain amount of desire to see the highly successful get a dose of humble pie.