If he can’t make an Indiana Jones film a guaranteed hit…
Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Oh, fun, completely dismissing entire films without seeing any footage or even broad synopses months and months in advance of their actual releases. Classic.
They're spending 5-6 months reshooting Cap 4. It's basically going to be a new film now. Hopefully they take some cues from the tone and approach to Winter Soldier.
2025 may be the first year in a long time, Marvel and DC are on equal footing.
If James Gunn's Superman Legacy and Matt Reeves' The Batman 2 hits... Marvel will have some distinguished competition.
2025 may be the first year in a long time, Marvel and DC are on equal footing.
If James Gunn's Superman Legacy and Matt Reeves' The Batman 2 hits... Marvel will have some distinguished competition.
Trades doing their Sunday updates are confirming the $47 million figure.
https://variety.com/2023/film/box-o...inematic-universe-opening-weekend-1235788513/
https://variety.com/2023/film/box-o...inematic-universe-opening-weekend-1235788513/
Old joke: How do you make a million bucks in the entertainment industry? Spend two million bucks.
One could just as plausibly posit it's unfair of you to suggest that if they'd only seen Larson, Vellani, and Parris share a few yucks with Colbert and/or Trevor Noah, tens of millions of potential theatergoers would have changed their weekend plans, and gone out to see a movie with a mediocre 50/100 Metacritic score. Trust us, we get it that you like these characters, and hope to see more of them, but that doesn't mean general audiences share your interest.
Furthermore, while actors' promotion may well have a modest salutary effect on a box office take, I'm certainly not aware of any research showing this could be worth hundreds of millions of dollars in ticket sales. Are you? Or are you looking for reasons to defend the movie first, and looking for arguments to support those reasons second?
Dude, a movie that loses hundreds of of millions of dollars at the box office is almost always a financial failure when all's said and done. To paraphrase your own words to JoeZhang, "To pretend [otherwise] is grossly disingenuous."
If most ticket buyers for a death/screamo metal concert have a great time, that's not necessarily evidence that a large swath of the general public would be just as pleased if they were to attend such a show.
Disney’s superhero sequel posted by far the worst opening in the 15-year history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) with only $47.0M. That’s -15% below the prior worst: 2008’s The Incredible Hulk ($55.4M), only the MCU’s second installment, which came out before the franchise reached its future levels of cultural ubiquity.
The Marvels also opens -34% below 2021’s Eternals ($71.2M), often cited (before this weekend, at least) as the MCU’s biggest underperformer in its “modern” era. Put another way, The Marvels could finish with a final domestic total less than the opening weekend for 2019’s predecessor Captain Marvel: $153.4M.
Compared to Marvel’s rival DC Comics, The Marvel also opens below some other recent DC Extended Universe underperformers: -14% below June’s The Flash with $55.0M and -29% below 2022’s Black Adam with $67.0M.
https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-the-marvels/
The Marvels also opens -34% below 2021’s Eternals ($71.2M), often cited (before this weekend, at least) as the MCU’s biggest underperformer in its “modern” era. Put another way, The Marvels could finish with a final domestic total less than the opening weekend for 2019’s predecessor Captain Marvel: $153.4M.
Compared to Marvel’s rival DC Comics, The Marvel also opens below some other recent DC Extended Universe underperformers: -14% below June’s The Flash with $55.0M and -29% below 2022’s Black Adam with $67.0M.
https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-the-marvels/
So Joe, are you actually going to watch the film and tell us what you thought of it separate from its box office performance?
Soon as it is on Disney Plus, no point in paying separately. My next two IMAX trips will be to Dune and Napoleon.
Spellman is on record saying Cap4 is going to be a "paranoid political thriller", so that's right in the vein of the existing Cap films (with the exception of the Avengers 2.0 part of Civil War). If Spellman shot that kind of film, that's exactly what the film needed in consideration of the Cap end of the world leaning in on its strengths. Re-shoots are concerning; for all we know, it may be an attempt to hard link the film into the broader MU than anything originally intended.
Well put. Without an anticipated Avengers movie (or anything of that scale) acting to draw viewers to The Marvels in the (theorized) manner it helped the first Captain Marvel, a large number of the movie-going public appears to have revealed their true disinterest in wanting to invest precious time and money into a sequel. That, or some watched the first film without any marketing coaxing from Disney, did not find it worthy of their interest, and would never desire to see CM again. All the publicity tours in the world will not overcome an audience who does not care for a character (or perhaps the actress, as well).
It is not. For one recent example: Black Adam: Dwayne Johnson spent months promoting the film at every public and online venue available to him, doing his usual hyper-enthusiastic pitching for the film, but this did not translate into drawing more ticket-buyers to the movie. While I certainly enjoyed the film, I was already "in" for the film for a number of reasons, which the general movie-goer would not know or share. So, I find the argument that Larson, et al. would have helped the film with more promotion fallacious at best.
Indeed. Some tend to forget the production budget is but one part of the investment made into a film, so if one adds in the marketing budget, The Marvels was going to need earnings that most assuredly could not begin with such a paltry opening weekend at the box office.
Yes, and I will see you then.
There's no real indication that it's undergoing extensive reshoots, those were just rumors. They weren't done the movie before the strikes happened which meant the film was never completed in the first place.
I doubt that the term Young Avengers will ever be used in the MCU even with Kamala recruiting Kate. Whatever larger group that fully materializes out of their teaming up will probably just assume the legacy of the Avengers and take the group's place using that moniker (the Avengers).
And speaking of the Avengers, I started my Avengers Quadrilogy marathon, and have to say that both the first and second films don't suffer nearly as much from formulaity as my memory tells me they did. I'm also currently watching Infinity War for the first time and while I do think it suffers a bit from 'interconnectivity fatigue', it's actually been quite fun thus far seeing most of the MCU's existing heroes come together.
I doubt that will happen. If that was the real intent, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for a team that obviously also should include people like Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi and Dr. Strange to be started by Kamala recruiting Kate Bishop. Especially when so many of those people already know each other.
I do think there's a high chance the name 'Young Avengers' won't be used, except maybe as a joke/one-liner, since they obviously didn't cast for a bunch of teenagers. But they're almost certainly intended to be a separate team or at most one of multiple sub-teams of the Avengers, not the singular Avengers replacement team. Possibly they'll use the Champions name, or else maybe call them the 'New Avengers' or something else with less comic book pedigree.
The Re-vengers 
That's another option, if the story puts them in that part of the country. Maybe they could even introduce Squirrel Girl for the team.
West Coast Avengers is a similar one, as well.
Although the fact that Kamala lives in Jersey City and Kate in New York and Eli Bradley in Maryland kind of works against those.
Honestly, I'd be happy if they didn't use the name Avengers, since I've never liked it. Avenging doesn't sound very heroic to me -- it just sounds like an eye for an eye, taking revenge after the fact. "Avenger" is pretty much a synonym for "Punisher." I'd prefer something more positive, more protective, like "Defenders" or "Champions," or, just brainstorming here, maybe something with "Justice" in the name.
(I have the same problem with that Batman: The Animated Series line everyone likes quoting even though it was from a mediocre episode: "I am vengeance, I am the night, I am Batman." Batman isn't about vengeance, he's about justice. If he were about vengeance, he'd just have murdered Joe Chill and been done with it. Heck, both Batman Begins and The Batman have Bruce start out seeking vengeance but then grow to realize it's better to fight for justice and protecting the innocent.)
(I have the same problem with that Batman: The Animated Series line everyone likes quoting even though it was from a mediocre episode: "I am vengeance, I am the night, I am Batman." Batman isn't about vengeance, he's about justice. If he were about vengeance, he'd just have murdered Joe Chill and been done with it. Heck, both Batman Begins and The Batman have Bruce start out seeking vengeance but then grow to realize it's better to fight for justice and protecting the innocent.)
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