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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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You can't make everyone happy all of the time. This proves it.

People were like "Marvel should make MCU series." Marvel did that. Now people are like "The Marvel shows are too much homework for understanding the movies." Now Marvel is slowing/backing down on that. Marvel Studios just can't win.

Just waiting for the misogynists and racists to come out of the woodwork (on social media) to say "Ike Perlmutter was right. No one wants movies led by women and/or POC."
 
JoeZhang said:
I don't see anyone here making that claim? Got a quote?
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No, because it's a generalized extrapolation from things that have been said here, as well as things I've seen elsewhere.

Samurai8472 said:
One massive bomb out of 23 or so movies isn't going to be their downfall. There will probably be some major overhauling and maybe quicker turnaround for Spider-man and X-men movies.
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Even as someone who only marginally likes the MCU, I think it ignores precedent and the overall reputational standing of Marvel Studios to be predicting that the financial failure of The Marvels will in any way alter said standing or result in significant creative changes with regards to upcoming film projects.

"Hey! Hey! We had a few bumps in the road but don't you worry! All will be forgotten and Spider-man will be back!
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Even though Marvel Studios and Sony are formally partnering with regards to the Tom Holland incarnation of Spider-Man, it is still the latter studio that decides if/when more movies featuring that incarnation of the character will happen.
 
MikHutch said:
Maybe but tbh I don't get why people didn't watch the show
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This is completely anecdotal but Ms. Marvel looks and plays like a Disney Channel show for young audiences. For myself, if I were to try to convince casual audiences like my stepfather or my middle-aged co-workers, and try to convince them to watch something like Loki or Ms.Marvel, I know the latter will be a much harder sell.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
This is completely anecdotal but Ms. Marvel looks and plays like a Disney Channel show for young audiences. For myself, if I were to try to convince casual audiences like my stepfather or my middle-aged co-workers, and try to convince them to watch something like Loki or Ms.Marvel, I know the latter will be a much harder sell.
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I found out about the show because my young nephew loved it. He was watching it with his grandparents (my folks) and they told me how they were surprised by how enjoyable it was. So I tuned in.

This whole "It got low views so it must be bad" thing doesn't mean much, Breaking Bad didn't have great ratings for it's first 2 or 3 seasons.
 
Caretaker said:
Just waiting for the misogynists and racists to come out of the woodwork (on social media) to say "Ike Perlmutter was right. No one wants movies led by women and/or POC."
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The funny thing is according to the box office analysis the vast majority of people who turned up on opening day were white men over 25.
 
The bigger problem is that Marvel never really had many leading lady characters who weren't part of teams. Most of their better known women are in the X-Men or Fantastic Four, and this extends to the comics.

Black Widow and Wasp were really the only "better known" women, there was Monica Rambeau but she was never really prominent.

They've been trying to fix that since they upgraded Carol to Captain Marvel about a decade ago, but she spent decades being written by incompetent misogynistic writers who didn't know what to do with her and made her a joke/punching bag. So when suddenly she was treated like an A-Lister, there was a backlash from readers who preferred her as a punching bag.
 
Scarlet Witch is probably their best financial bet for a female-led film franchise that could tap a 4 quadrant market.

Olsen seems to want a break from Marvel. That's fine. A couple years down the line, a "Scarlet Witch" movie with a mid-tier budget has potential.

Perhaps after the X-Men are rolled out.

Until then, there's Deadpool, Captain America, Blade, Thunderbolts, F4, Spider-Man, Avengers perhaps Shang-Chi as the film franchises in play.

Personally, I would rather they just do Daredevil as a film at this point as well. More potential on film than Disney Plus for that character, especially after audiences glimpsed him in NWH.
 
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Caretaker said:
You can't make everyone happy all of the time. This proves it.

People were like "Marvel should make MCU series." Marvel did that. Now people are like "The Marvel shows are too much homework for understanding the movies." Now Marvel is slowing/backing down on that. Marvel Studios just can't win.

Just waiting for the misogynists and racists to come out of the woodwork (on social media) to say "Ike Perlmutter was right. No one wants movies led by women and/or POC."
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Ugh. The constant back and forth with those complaints is nauseating
 
JoeZhang said:
By all accounts and by all sources, a disastrous result for a $200M Marvel Studios movie. But, wait, didn’t you declare Apple Original Studios’ and Paramount’s $200M Killers of the Flower Moon at $44M a success a few weeks ago? Just sit down, I’ll explain in a bit. The Marvels misfire is about the rusting of a platinum brand that’s in need of some serious –not polishing, rather resurfacing.
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That seems like less of an "explanation" than an excuse for applying a double standard. It's basically saying "It's a failure because it only performed as well as non-Marvel movies instead of vastly better," which is incredibly arbitrary. Can't a Marvel movie just do ordinarily well and be accepted as doing ordinarily well instead of branded as a horrific disaster?
 
Christopher said:
That seems like less of an "explanation" than an excuse for applying a double standard. It's basically saying "It's a failure because it only performed as well as non-Marvel movies instead of vastly better," which is incredibly arbitrary. Can't a Marvel movie just do ordinarily well and be accepted as doing ordinarily well instead of branded as a horrific disaster?
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It is not doing ordinarily well? It would need to have amazing legs not to make a loss of hundreds of millions at the box office. If it performs similarly to quantumania, based on what we know of the budget, It could be about $200 million in the hole.




 
Samurai8472 said:
One massive bomb out of 23 or so movies isn't going to be their downfall.
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The MCU has suffered more than one box-office dud (and streaming washout). Further, The Marvels is not just some random film from the assembly line, but a sequel featuring a character who was designed to be the next A-list character / main player in future arcs / phases of the franchise. For The Marvels to bomb to levels rarely seen for sequels to very big hits--and again, featuring one of the intended main players of MCU arcs going forward--Disney/Marvel should reconsider their approach to the MCU, although I doubt they will.
 
JoeZhang said:
It is not doing ordinarily well?
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He specifically said it was projected to do about the same relative to its budget as Killers of the Flower Moon, and he said Killers was a success. His argument in the article was that a success for a non-Marvel movie would be a failure for a Marvel movie because Marvel is expected to do exceptionally better.
 
MikHutch said:
Its so weird. Its never even a reasonable critique.
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Why does it need to be reasonable?

The MCU is huge and not everyone will agree with the execution. So, if I disagree with the work and it continues to be successful it will bring out a measure of disgust and hope for less success in the future.

And no, it doesn't have to be misogyny, or racist or whatever other hot button talking points are going around. It can be just "this isn't how comic book movies should be done so I hope they fail enough to change. "
 
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