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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I can't decide where in the MCU I want to head next. I could watch Captain Marvel (which is one of the last individual movies I've yet to see), marathon the existing Avengers movies (since, as mentioned, I've never seen Infinity War and Endgame), or start revisiting full subseries that I've seen in their entirety.

Thoughts/suggestions?
I'd go with Capt. Marvel, it's great.

Yes, but the Guardians being back there and using it as their HQ ought to have been addressed via dialogue in Vol. 3.



I'll watch Captain Marvel at some point, even if it isn't the immediate next thing that I watch.
The Guardians establishing Knowhere as their headquarters and Cosmo joining the team both happened between Vol. 2 and the Holiday Special, so the you would have been in pretty much the same situation while watching The Holiday Special if you had watched it before Vol. 3
 
I'd go with Capt. Marvel, it's great.

You're about 2 hours too late. I had some time to kill, so I decided that there was no time like the present to watch another MCU movie, and since I need at least 8 hours to marathon the Avengers movies, I put Captain Marvel on the docket and just barely finished it (and, yes, it was great, not to mention timely since it was only yesterday that I watched their later, villainous activities).

The Guardians establishing Knowhere as their headquarters and Cosmo joining the team both happened between Vol. 2 and the Holiday Special, so the you would have been in pretty much the same situation while watching The Holiday ,m if you had watched it before Vol. 3

Hmm. That's not the impression that the MCU Fandom Wiki gave me.
 
I can't decide where in the MCU I want to head next. I could watch Captain Marvel (which is one of the last individual movies I've yet to see), marathon the existing Avengers movies (since, as mentioned, I've never seen Infinity War and Endgame), or start revisiting full subseries that I've seen in their entirety.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Infinity War is maybe the best "MCU" movie (which is to say, standing on and leveraging their connected universe promise), and Endgame is a worthy follow-up. Captain Marvel is fun but ultimately not terribly important in the grand scheme.
 
You're about 2 hours too late. I had some time to kill, so I decided that there was no time like the present to watch another MCU movie, and since I need at least 8 hours to marathon the Avengers movies, I put Captain Marvel on the docket and just barely finished it (and, yes, it was great, not to mention timely since it was only yesterday that I watched their later, villainous activities).



Hmm. That's not the impression that the MCU Fandom Wiki gave me.
I just checked the article for The Holiday Special, and I think the thing about them buying Knowhere from the Collector must have just one quick line somewhere, because we never saw it happen onscreen and I don't remember it.
 
Infinity War is maybe the best "MCU" movie (which is to say, standing on and leveraging their connected universe promise), and Endgame is a worthy follow-up. Captain Marvel is fun but ultimately not terribly important in the grand scheme.

Like JD, you're late to the party, as I just finished Captain Marvel earlier.

I'm also going to marathon the Avengers Quadrilogy this weekend (likely Sunday).
 
Ideally, the rule is to assume that every story may be someone's first -- or at least that returning viewers/readers might need to be reminded of things they've forgotten. So every installment of a series should remind people of whatever they need to know to follow the story. The goal is not to create obstacles to entry or punish people for not knowing the "right" things. You want your work to be accessible to everyone, not just the experts.

After all, there's no reason audiences can't follow a story that references events they didn't experience. People in 1977 could follow Star Wars just fine without prior knowledge of the Jedi or the Clone Wars. People could follow "The Cage" without having seen the battle on Rigel VII beforehand or having known the dead yeoman Captain Pike was mourning. It's not that hard to fill audiences in on unseen past events with just a few brief references. So by the same token, it's not hard to make similarly brief references to the events of previous installments, either to remind returning audiences without photographic memories or to bring new audience members up to speed. Certainly prior familiarity can make details and nuances clearer, add deeper context, etc., the way the prequel trilogy added context to Star Wars or the way "Among the Lotus Eaters" revealed more about Rigel VII and Pike's yeoman. But it should never be required for basic understanding of who the characters are and what's happening in the story. It's the storyteller's job to include any essential information in the current story itself.

So there's simply no validity to the notion that an audience ever "has to" be familiar with previous installments to follow the current one. Or rather, if an installment isn't comprehensible without that prior knowledge, that's a failure of basic story construction.

I remember something from long ago, which I think was actually James Cameron but can't be sure. The gist of it was that you don't need to see Alien to enjoy Aliens, or even get Aliens. Plenty of horror films and novels start with a lone survivor who somehow makes it back to civilisation and then has to go back to the house/island/planet where bad stuff happened to them.

Re GotG 3 I went with my GF who's not an MCU fan but for some reason she loves the Guardians of the Galaxy. As such we'd seen the Holiday Special, her issue was that because she hadn't seen much else she was perplexed why Gamora suddenly didn't know Peter! It didn't dent her enjoyment though
 
I remember something from long ago, which I think was actually James Cameron but can't be sure. The gist of it was that you don't need to see Alien to enjoy Aliens, or even get Aliens. Plenty of horror films and novels start with a lone survivor who somehow makes it back to civilisation and then has to go back to the house/island/planet where bad stuff happened to them.

Right. Countless stories are driven by events that happened in the characters' past, even if the audience didn't see them. A Christmas Carol starts with Scrooge being haunted by his dead partner, and we learn about their history in the story itself. Psycho turns out to be driven by Norman Bates's history with his mother, which the audience learns about over the course of the movie. This is basic to how stories work, and the fundamentals of good story construction are the same regardless of whether those past events were previously depicted or not.


Re GotG 3 I went with my GF who's not an MCU fan but for some reason she loves the Guardians of the Galaxy. As such we'd seen the Holiday Special, her issue was that because she hadn't seen much else she was perplexed why Gamora suddenly didn't know Peter! It didn't dent her enjoyment though

GotG3 does indeed explain that over the course of the movie. It may seem mysterious at first to viewers who didn't see Infinity War/Endgame, but like many mysteries in stories, it gets explained and revealed as the story goes on.
 
Assuming you include Civil War (which is essentially Avengers 2.5), you need about thirteen hours to marathon the Avengers movies.

I'm only going to watch the four Avengers movies and nothing else, although I might have to split things up across two days given that I didn't realize how long each film is.
 
I like Brie Larson (I'll never understand the backlash against her, she was a geek darling when she was cast and then became a right wing hate object) but the new trailer for The Marvel's reeks of desperation. More Tony Stark and Captain America than the actual cast...
 
I like Brie Larson (I'll never understand the backlash against her, she was a geek darling when she was cast and then became a right wing hate object) but the new trailer for The Marvel's reeks of desperation. More Tony Stark and Captain America than the actual cast...

Studios generally don't make their own trailers. There are a couple of companies that make all the trailers, which is why trailers tend to conform to certain recurring formulas.
 
the new trailer for The Marvel's reeks of desperation.

Not really.

Incidentally, I don't think I've independently chosen to go see an MCU movie in a theater since Age of Ultron, but I've just decided that I'm going to change that statistic with The Marvels provided I can find some time (I have afternoons off on Mondays, so that might be a good day to go).
 
Studios generally don't make their own trailers. There are a couple of companies that make all the trailers, which is why trailers tend to conform to certain recurring formulas.
Your point being? I can guarantee you any subcontracted trailer company wouldn't put Downey and Evans in the trailer without an okay from Disney, so for all intents and purposes, yes, Disney/Mavel Studios made it.
 
The idea that Kevin Feige doesn't have sign off of the trailers for his movies is pure comedy gold.

This was a desperate move to link a movie whose ticket sales are terrible with one of the most successful movies if all time.
 
Your point being? I can guarantee you any subcontracted trailer company wouldn't put Downey and Evans in the trailer without an okay from Disney, so for all intents and purposes, yes, Disney/Mavel Studios made it.

I dunno... there have been instances of trailers doing things that the filmmakers objected to, like when the How to Train Your Dragon 2 trailer gave away a big reveal that the director intended to be a surprise. Granted, what the director wants and what the studio wants are not always the same thing. I'm just saying it's best not to make assumptions about who made decisions we weren't privy to, especially when those assumptions are negative. It's always wise to allow room for doubt.
 
^ It's entirely reasonable to assume that Disney reviewed and authorized a trailer for their $250m movie. Indeed, it's unreasonable to not assume that.
 
I'm interested in people's opinions on something: sticking strictly to a distinction of either Cosmic or Mystical, how would you categorize the Avengers, Black Panther, and Ant-Man movies as a whole?
 
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