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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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If The Marvels bombs in the way that it appears it might, there will be panic because shareholders will be unhappy...one way to reassure them will be to say "look people who were in our most profitable films return!"

Marvel Studios has 'lost' money, what, 3 times over the course of 30+ movies? There's not going to be a panicked course correction based solely on one more movie not doing well.

I recognize that and I'm not even that fond of the MCU as an IP (my recent and ongoing boredom-induced foray into it notwithstanding).
 
Marvel Studios has 'lost' money, what, 3 times over the course of 30+ movies?

Well if the presales and industry analysis are correct this will be an actual bomb not in a Hollywood accounting way but an actual bomb - Shareholders will want to know what the plan is and they have more power than the creatives.
 
Except the story sets them up as government funded so why would it be profitable for them? There is no connection made in the story to direct revenue streams or even bigger appropriations.

It's been a long time since I've seen the film to remember that detail--but weren't they something like Halliburton where they are being contracted by the government?
 
Well if the presales and industry analysis are correct this will be an actual bomb not in a Hollywood accounting way but an actual bomb

Still not gonna cause a panicked course correction.

Shifting topics, I decided to rewatch the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie, and it ended up being better than I'd remembered; it also felt less like a blatant rip-off of Star Wars and more reminiscent of Firefly/Serenity and RPGs like the Star Ocean and Mass Effect games.
 
It's been a long time since I've seen the film to remember that detail--but weren't they something like Halliburton where they are being contracted by the government?

Yeah, I think so. Killian told Tony in the flashback that AIM was a privately funded think tank, but by the time of the movie it had secured military contracts. So of course it's profitable -- they're getting paid by the military/government to provide tech to them. Look at real life, how defense contractors routinely overcharge the government hundreds of dollars for pieces of equipment that would normally sell for, like, 35 cents. That's immensely profitable for them.
 
Still not gonna cause a panicked course correction.

Shifting topics, I decided to rewatch the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie, and it ended up being better than I'd remembered; it also felt less like a blatant rip-off of Star Wars and more reminiscent of Firefly/Serenity and RPGs like the Star Ocean and Mass Effect games.

It's really not much like star wars tbh
 
It's really not much like star wars tbh

Maybe not to you, but it felt like a blatant rip-off of SW to me when I originally saw it, and it's that feeling of familiarity that started to lessen my overall general interest in the MCU as a whole.

I'm happy to have had my opinion changed, though.
 
Maybe not to you, but it felt like a blatant rip-off of SW to me when I originally saw it, and it's that feeling of familiarity that started to lessen my overall general interest in the MCU as a whole.

I'm happy to have had my opinion changed, though.

Ok. Idk quite what you mean by familiarity though. But other than being in space and having a small main ship they're not thay similar. Plus SW copied Foundation and LotR iirc
 
I always got way more of a Farscape vibe than Star Wars.

I felt that Guardians of the Galaxy reminded me somewhat of Battle Beyond the Stars. Both films are driven largely by antiheroes and somewhat overcluttered with cool ideas that don’t have room to be developed properly.

Anyway, "reminds me of Star Wars" is the media equivalent of "tastes like chicken." Star Wars is a conscious distillation of all the pop culture George Lucas absorbed as a child, and of the universal hero's journey tropes codified by Joseph Campbell.
 
Put me down as one that prefers IM3 over the other two. Not that they're bad, I just find number three to be the more entertaining and rewatchable for my tastes. Also, unlike the other two the third act felt like an actual culmination of the character and plot, whereas with the first two it wasn't as tightly written, and just sort of petered out into a big CG-fight. Yeah, 3 had a "big CG fight" too, but it just felt more connected to the characters and plot, and was way more inventive.
I'd even go so far as to say that it's the only one of the three that has fun and memorable henchmen. Raza was a red-herring villain, while IM2 couldn't seem to make up it's mind as to whether Vanko was a henchman or a villain from one act to the next. Savin and Brandt on the other hand had just that right balance of threat and charm.

Also I will never cease to find Trevor to be a gift to the franchise. Not just for the twist itself, but how certain people lost their ever-loving minds over it. Priceless!
The villains in all three Iron Man movies desperately wanted to be Tony Stark.
I don't disagree, though I would say that I find Killian was easily the more interesting of the bunch. Stane was just greedy and entitled, Vanko was . . . I still don't really grasp what his motivation was beyond some half-baked inter-family blood feud. I mean really, what even was his endgame after doing away with Tony? To sell his father's original version of the arc reactor? To become a Ten Rings super-merc? It's not exactly clear. Hammer was just a cartoon character. A very entertain played cartoon character (Rockwell is always fun to watch), but a cartoon character nonetheless. Killian on the other hand has a little more nuance . . . not a lot more, but still. He's also the only one with a legit grievance against Stark.
 
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