I guess I’m out of touch, is Twitter Toast guy a reliable source of information?
Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Twitter is full of people claiming insider knowledge, which mostly seems to be guesswork (we could all come up with a realistic casting list for 'Fantastic Four') or just plain made up.
Very tellingly not a single one of them said anything about all the Disney+ changes in advance of them hitting the trades.
The 90s X-Men show had terrible animation, and it wasn't helped that they used those over-designed Jim Lee 90s designs as well. Most comic designs aren't designed to move fluidly so they never animate well, and Jim Lee's stuff is even more over-designed than usual comic stuff.
That's why X-Men Evolution had a real animator redesign all the characters for animation and Wolverine and the X-Men did the same thing.
Evolution had immensely better animation -- it's one of the most beautifully animated TV series I've ever seen -- but I found its writing weak in the first two seasons. The first season was boring and slow-paced, taking forever to introduce the characters and set up the status quo, and season 2 wasn't much better. It didn't get really interesting until mutants were outed at the end of season 2 and it really started to live up to the potential of the premise. Seasons 3-4 were much better, and I wish it had gone on longer.
The voices in the '96 series are still the ones I hear in my head for the X-Men characters, though.
I think there's a confusion of terms going on here. Of course any new show won't have the same style of animation as the old one, because cartoons just aren't made that way anymore (and haven't for going on 20-odd years.) What people are really worrying about isn't the animation but the production design. Will it look like how people remember the old show? Not look like how the old show actually looked like, but how the version of it that lives in people's brains looks. Basically the intro sequence come to life.
This board is no stranger to that kind of "reporting". So much of it is wish-fulfillment posting free of insider knowledge.
Indeed.
Those Jim Lee designs are, in my opinion, generally the best costumes that any of those characters have ever had. I prefer Wolverine's Astonishing X-Men costume a bit more I guess, but the only real difference is that the later costume replaces the black bits with blue. Rogue's look is absolutely iconic, and she always seems to go back to it eventually. Cyclops literally never looks better then in the 90s, it was great to see him back in it in recent comics. Jubilee basically wears the same costume to this day, so there isn't much for me to say about that. Beast's 80s-90s look is great, although its not really Jim Lee's design, I've really disliked his more cat like look in recent years. Gambit was co-created by Lee and basically always wears the same costume, or slight variations on it. Storm's white costume is great, I even like the shoulder pads, and she's a character that has had a lot of bad costumes in the past (Punk Rock/Mohawk Storm especially sucked). Jean grey's is the closest to not being great, but I really like how it is completely different from her Phoenix or Marvel Girl costumes.
All of the Jim Lee X-Men costumes work fine in a cartoon, just because the 90s cartoon had occasionally cheap animation isn't the fault of the designs (and it still generally looked better then the Spider-Man cartoon anyway, except for that last season with a completely different style).
X-Men Evolution on the other hand looked like crap and had even worse writing. Wolverine and the X-Men was a good cartoon but had mediocre to terrible costumes (except for Wolverine and Emma Frost, who basically just had their standard looks).
New trailer for Loki season 2.
The pouches, straps and butt thongs costumes?
Not watching that trailer but I'm glad we're getting close enough that I've stopped watching any more trailers. 
After this trailer is my cut-off but I get why you stopped before that. Either way, I never bother with the short teasers, sneak-peak scenes, etc.Not watching that trailer but I'm glad we're getting close enough that I've stopped watching any more trailers.
The pouches, straps and butt thongs costumes?
Let me be clear, the art style Jim Lee had at the time sucked, he wouldn't become a legitimately good artist until he moved past the 90s Image style, but the X-Men designs themselves are solid. There are actually very few pouches, especially (just a few on Cyclops belt and sometimes a few on Rogue's belt, which is very restrained for the time).
The "butt thong" costumes aren't really a design choice, they're an artist quirk, and literally only Psylocke has anything like that (Jean grey, Storm, and Rogue wear pants, and Jubilee wears denim shorts). Even Psylocke only has a "butt thong" costume when the artist draws it that way, the actual design is more of a one piece swimsuit for the body that doesn't have a thong like bottom in the design. Its like 90s Wonder Woman, who was frequently drawn like this:
Wonder Woman's design obviously isn't supposed to end in a thong, but the artist drew her like it does, even though that wasn't what it should look like. In the same way, in the 90s Psylocke looked like her costume ends in a thong a lot of the time, but technically it should look more like this
Its still a "sexy" costume, and definitely silly to anyone who is obsessed with realism in superhero costumes, but its still not a "butt thong" costume when it comes to the basic design.
So yeah I like Jim Lee's designs, which really don't have much if any of what you're accusing them of having. Take away the art style that Jim Lee (and many others) had at the time and they're surprisingly almost free of 90s superhero costume tropes, and what they do have isn't too obnoxious.
What exactly do Rogue and Cyclops need with pouches? Does he keep his Cyclo-rang in there? Cyke-Anti-Shark Spray? And Cyclops has way too may straps. Straps on his chest. Straps on his gloves. Straps on his thighs. Straps on his boots.
Agreed totally. Those costumes were way over designed. For the most part, I much prefer the simplicity of the Dave Cockrum/John Byrne/back to Cockrum/ Paul Smith era look.What exactly do Rogue and Cyclops need with pouches? Does he keep his Cyclo-rang in there? Cyke-Anti-Shark Spray? And Cyclops has way too may straps. Straps on his chest. Straps on his gloves. Straps on his thighs. Straps on his boots.
With those skintight outfits, I could understand having one or two pouches for your wallet, keys, comb, etc., though that doesn't justify the sheer number of pouches on those '90s costumes.
As for Rogue, I imagine she'd want to carry some spare gloves wherever she went, just in case.
LOL no. They're the most marketed, but not the best by a long shot.
His tan outfit is his best look, always has been.
Which is a shame because it's really very generic and was the start of her devolving from a realized character to someone more recognized for her fanservice. Her green outfit with the hood is far more memorable.
It was in line with Liefeld's idiot outfits, the straps don't form an "X" the way they should. His best recent look was the black and red one with the X on his face.
Which is why it's so painfully dated, just like he is. There's a reason why the X-Writers have disliked his character for around 30 years.
Her best looks were either the Punk one or the Black Swimsuit one. White is boring
Her current outfit is one of her best looks. The green armor
EVO is how you do an animated adaptation. The 90s show took the lazy way out, repeatedly.
The not fictional nonfiction book Look out for the Little Guy by Scott Lang just released today.