Something I missed when I watched the trailer earlier:
One of the places Loki timeslips to is a watercraft store!
I'm also very curious to know what has caused Miss Minutes to go on a rampage.
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One of the places Loki timeslips to is a watercraft store!
I'm also very curious to know what has caused Miss Minutes to go on a rampage.
Just finished Secret Invasion. It was quite good but just felt a little flat.
The shock death early in the run was unnescessary and a huge waste. The character got poor service in most of their appearances.
And they needed a better explanation of why The Avengers didn't get a call.
The shock death early in the run was unnescessary and a huge waste. The character got poor service in most of their appearances.
And they needed a better explanation of why The Avengers didn't get a call.
They had an obvious explanation that they didn't even use -- that any of the Avengers might be Skrull infiltrators, so Fury didn't know if he could trust them.
The first place Loki & Mobius go is the 1893 Columbian Exposition in Chicago.
Because the Avengers don't exist anymore. The team ceased to be after Endgame and the remaining heroes haven't tried to form a new group in the time since and are operating independently from each other.
What about the post credits of Shang Chi? Did Wong specifically reach out to Dr Banner and Captain Marvel individually and then they answered together, or just the Avengers and they’re kinda the most senior ones? (Besides Falcon)
Personally I do find it annoying almost 3 years on from Endgame (2026 now) there’s no indication of what the Avengers even are or how or if they exist. Clearly they’re just waiting for the next movie to give any info. I’m hoping Cap 4 will at least give some more detail, and hopefully an appearance from a few perhaps.
The state of the MCU now is just all the place. Like what has White Vision been doing for *three years* now?
The MCU has gone off the rails somewhat, but there's no reason it can't be revived by better quality control and a more cohesive direction.
I agree the lack of clarity on the state of the Avengers post-Blip is odd, but I also don't think it's a big deal. The only times that has really stood out are in Secret Invasion and Eternals.
I'm one of the few fans of Eternals so I forgive it for that oddity. I explain it away in my head that the climax happened so quickly that the Avengers, whoever is on the roster now, didn't have enough time to react. Partially a weak excuse but, again, I'm not too bothered by it. I care more about the individual stories than how they may or may not relate to the Avengers.
I'm one of the few fans of Eternals so I forgive it for that oddity. I explain it away in my head that the climax happened so quickly that the Avengers, whoever is on the roster now, didn't have enough time to react. Partially a weak excuse but, again, I'm not too bothered by it. I care more about the individual stories than how they may or may not relate to the Avengers.
That'll be covered in his own show, Vision Quest, announced last October for 2024, although I'm guessing it'll be delayed by the strikes.
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We're going to see him in Armor Wars and then the Vision Quest miniseries after. The timeline is still a bit wonky
I won't be holding my breath waiting for either of those to actually get made.
First I've heard about Vision being in Armor Wars.
Because of the strikes or because Marvel is notorious for deviating from their plans and canceling their productions (he says tongue planted firmly in cheek)?
As I said in the Secret Invasion thread, it feels like a major mistake when Feige announced that "Phase 4" ended arbitrarily at the end of 2022 Originally phases ended with Avengers movies, and it would have been better IMHO to have a big sprawling Phase 4, even if we had to wait until Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars. The decision to go to a "Phase 5" with essentially nothing resolved (or even much developed) made it feel like they decided Phase 4 was a failure and that they just wanted to reboot marketing.
Honestly, the MCU these days reminds me of the last couple books by George R.R. Martin. They're just so interested in throwing every possible side plot/fleshing out every bit character, which means (since production schedules keep getting pushed back) the necessary preconditions to get to the next team-up movie become more and more complicated.
Phase 2 ended on Ant-Man.
They can end phases wherever they want, it doesn't have to revolve around stories, but real world production cycles for all it really matters. Seems to be roughly about 6 or 7 productions per phase when you average it all out, which tracks with phase 4.
From Feige about a year ago:
"The truth is, when we were doing Phase 1, Phase 2 and Phase 3, there were less projects over more years," Feige asserted, reflecting on the earlier phases of the MCU. "They were smaller projects and individual character stories, and it felt appropriate at that point, that after every two or three years that it took for a phase, we would do an 'Avengers' film."
"As [Phase] 4, 5 and 6 were coming together, there are more projects in less years – because of all the amazing stuff we're now allowed to do on Disney+, and getting characters from Fox, Fantastic Four and Deadpool — that it felt like, certainly after 'Infinity War' and 'Endgame,' that we thought 'Avengers' movies aren't cappers," he said. "So many of our movies now — 'Multiverse of Madness' and what you're about to see in ['Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania'], all are big team-up films introducing big parts of the mythology… 'Avengers' films really should be the capper to a saga."
I don't watch these movies and shows just to get to the team-ups.
You're doing it wrong if that's the case.
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Has it ever been verified that the Avengers actually existed as a team after the events of "Endgame"?
Eternals had a line during a dinner they had together that one of them felt he could be the new leader of the Avengers.
The Shang-Chi post credit scene with Carol and Bruce kinda vibes of there still being a team.... But nothing concrete.
And Phase 3 ended with Spider-Man: Far From Home. In both cases, it made a logical sort of sense to have a "coda" to the phase with a lower-stakes adventure.
The decision to start Phase 3 with Civil War kinda required Ant-Man to come out first in order for it to make any sense within the narrative, given Scott Lang is established to have his powers, and Ant-Man is his origin story. This is different from Spider-Man, who the MCU just avoids giving a real origin story, so his first appearance in Civil War makes sense.
He can come up with any excuse he wants, but IMHO it's PR.
Let's also remember that Phase 2/3 actually ended in summer of 2015/2019 respectively, with at least a year off. In contrast, Wakanda Forever came out in Nov, 2022, and then Quantumania in February, 2023. Again, it doesn't seem like a planned "ending" - it's just a bunch of...stuff...with no real arc to it.
That's not what I meant. I have no issue with standalone origin stories. I liked that Moon Knight, for example, was confident enough not to fall back on continuity porn.
Everything is taking longer because they're making everything too interconnected/have too many bits and pieces to fall into place.
Again, I like Shang-Chi. I'd want to see a Shang-Chi II. But we know the Marvel schedule pretty well through 2025 and to a limited degree through 2027, and there are no signs of a sequel. Yet Lionsgate has managed to make three John Wick sequels in a six-year period. Hell, Marvel managed to release three Iron Man movies in a five-year period. But Marvel now has too many other balls to keep in the air, which means that the most basic elements of setting up the Multiverse saga (introduce the "new Avengers"/pass the baton, and do the legwork to turn Kang into the big bad) are sometimes given short shrift.
Another thought is that maybe the MCU should be operating on multiple tracks at once.
Like, a lot of work has been done setting up a "young Avengers" of sorts. We've had handing of the torches to Yelena, Kate Bishop, and arguably Riri Williams. We've had other young Avengers characters introduced, like America Chavez, Wanda's sons, Eli Bradley, Stature, etc. Yet there's no plan for a Young Avengers movie, and it's likely that the oldest of the actors will be in their early 30s before one gets off the ground.
It honestly seems to me this would be a good thing to go straight to Disney+, either as a miniseries of its own or as a streaming movie. This lets the kid plotlines move forward on a different track, and doesn't put an expectation of a major theatrical release out there.
Like, a lot of work has been done setting up a "young Avengers" of sorts. We've had handing of the torches to Yelena, Kate Bishop, and arguably Riri Williams. We've had other young Avengers characters introduced, like America Chavez, Wanda's sons, Eli Bradley, Stature, etc. Yet there's no plan for a Young Avengers movie, and it's likely that the oldest of the actors will be in their early 30s before one gets off the ground.
It honestly seems to me this would be a good thing to go straight to Disney+, either as a miniseries of its own or as a streaming movie. This lets the kid plotlines move forward on a different track, and doesn't put an expectation of a major theatrical release out there.
Loki Season 2 trailer gets 80 million views in two days. So still some life in the old MCU yet.
https://deadline.com/2023/08/loki-season-two-trailer-disney-1235452570/
https://deadline.com/2023/08/loki-season-two-trailer-disney-1235452570/