Well...except for that earthquake report in Endgame.
(I only say that because people speculated at the time that was a hint to him but we don't know if that's true yet)
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(I only say that because people speculated at the time that was a hint to him but we don't know if that's true yet)
I won't ban you, but you have a warning for trolling.
I don't really see why this is an issue. In practically every Marvel movie and TV show we learn about some big new aspect of the universe we never saw signs of before, so vampires really wouldn't be any different. Vampires secretly living among humans has also been a huge part of Vampire fiction going back as least as far as Dracula, so really makes perfect sense that the same thing would be going on in the MCU.
I don't see why, we haven't seen Blade or any references to him before him until The Eternals, so if the vampires have been living in secret, then he probably has been too.
In most stories where vampires are living in secret, they have specific rules about how they operate that allow them to stay hidden, so that's probably the route they'll go with the MCU.
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This Fantastic Four fan is a disappointed that we aren't seeing an MCU Fantastic Four film until Phase 6.
(And yeah I think the November 8 2024 date is very wishful thinking given everything else that seems to be on that slate.)
(And yeah I think the November 8 2024 date is very wishful thinking given everything else that seems to be on that slate.)
This Fantastic Four fan is a disappointed that we aren't seeing an MCU Fantastic Four film until Phase 6.
(And yeah I think the November 8 2024 date is very wishful thinking given everything else that seems to be on that slate.)
I understand but i'd rather wait and have it done right rather than getting something very mediocre as has been the case in the past. I wouldn't worry about Marvel's slate - they are a juggernaut now and have been doing this for 10+ years now and for over a year that includes TV shows. I think they're well organized and experienced now to know what they can do and announce. There have not been many changes in release dates before Covid ( that i can remember at the moment) so for now i'd mark that date.
One, as Easter Egg and tease-happy as the MCU has been with other concepts (infinity stones for one example), this film series at least has precedent where introducing an idea that was supposed to have some impact on that world. One would imagine the undead would fall into such an impactful category.
Two, Marvel's Dracula was never fully integrated with the rest of the comic MU, but he--and his "flock" were not hidden. Further, there's quite a number of vampire fiction where the creatures ultimately did not care about humans knowing they existed, because in their minds, humans were no better than powerless livestock. It did not mean they wanted to be captured (see: 1972's The Night Stalker, or 1974's Bram Stoker's Dracula for examples of that kind of vampire), but when it was time for business, they were not shy, nor did they care if they were seen.
That makes little sense. Blade has vampiric traits, but he never needed to hide from society or any potential threats. Rewriting the most known detail about him all to handwave the MCU never properly planting the seeds of vampires at all is lazy.
The point is that if the film follows the comic origin, vampires could not have been living in secret to the degree suggested by a few, since it was a vampire (Frost) who (acting as a doctor) killed his mother / gave him the traits of a vampire, and Frost himself had encounters with the creatures before his own trnsformation. In that comic-book continuity, vampires were active, and not so much a version of the myth-no one-believed-until-it-was-too-late trope.
Yes, and we did get Blade in The Eternals, so technically we have gotten our tease setting up vampires.
Yes, of course there have been some stories where vampires didn't hide, but at this point it's pretty likely that they won't be going in that direction here since like you said, we haven't seen any evidence of them living out in the open.
Never watched either of the movie's you mentioned, so for me the best example of a story where vampires exist out in the open would be The Southern Vampire Mysteries/ True Blood. Either way, in the vast majority of modern vampire stories, they exist in secret, and I have feeling at this point that's probably the direction the MCU is going to go.
That may be, but it also sounds like vampires exist out in the open in the comics, which they probably won't in the MCU. If vampires operate in secret, which seems likely at this point, it makes sense that Blade would too.
All of that could still happen if vampires were existing in secret, the only difference would be that the people around Frost wouldn't know that he was a vampire, and that he would be doing all of that in secret. Besides, I don't think there is a single origin in MCU that hasn't had some changes from the comics, so it's not like they would suddenly being going against precedent if they changed Blade's origin.
No, that's me simply not spending an hour working out an extensive treatment for exactly what all the details would be. If the vampires have been magically hidden then obviously the next question is 'why?' and the writers can then proceed to answer that question. Your refusal to accept it as a possibility in no way makes it an actually difficult question to answer, though what the answer specifically becomes obviously depends on what they're going to try to do with the story.
Or the attack that created him was far less public than traditionally the case. And I already mentioned the possibility, which happened in the comics, that the vampires could have been largely defeated for a while meaning Blade could have had his formative years prior to the post-Iron Man era and vampires still not have been relevant during the period 2008-2018/whenever the Blade movie starts. Or, as someone else said, Blade could simply hunt the vampires in secret (which would be the automatic/natural state of things if the vampires were clearly living in secret to begin with).
The comics did plenty of things badly. That has no relevance to whether Blade can or can't work in the MCU.
And of course, the Eternals have been among us in secret for millennia, known only through distorted myths. And Doctor Strange revealed that sorcerors had operated in secret for centuries until the Infinity Crisis. And Thor, Guardians, Captain Marvel, etc. revealed that aliens have been visiting Earth for ages without being known as more than myths and rumors.
So I'm with you. I don't see any reason why vampires existing in hiding should be any more implausible. Especially given that vampires, by their very nature, would be feared and hunted, so they'd have a strong incentive to avoid discovery.
Why not both?
Actually, if I were to put money on it, I would guess the more recent secret war. They've already started hinting at the convergence of realities aspect of that story in the Doctor Strange sequel.
Actually, if I were to put money on it, I would guess the more recent secret war. They've already started hinting at the convergence of realities aspect of that story in the Doctor Strange sequel.
Oh, is that the one that was kind of like Crisis on Infinite Earths with parallel worlds being destroyed and combined? I guess that could be what they mean by the next Avengers movies being the climax of "The Multiverse Saga."
I mean they could easily show up in earlier projectsThis Fantastic Four fan is a disappointed that we aren't seeing an MCU Fantastic Four film until Phase 6.
(And yeah I think the November 8 2024 date is very wishful thinking given everything else that seems to be on that slate.)
Doctor Doom is supposed to show up in the mid or post credits scene in Wakanda Forever. Which I would dismiss except the rumours about Namor being the villain* turned out to be true.
*No doubt Atuma will turn out to be the real villain in the end.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking -- like how they introduced Spider-Man and Black Panther in Civil War. I'm hoping they do that -- seed the FF in earlier movies so they're an established presence by the time of their own movie.
After all, three of the four FF films to date have been origin stories, and the only one that was any good was the one that wasn't. Because the FF's origin is probably the least interesting thing about them. They're most interesting when they're already established, when they've achieved their status as the go-to scientific think tank and the admired first family of the superhero community. Heck, even the comic started out with the team already established and relegated their origin to a flashback.
Or like Tom Cruise as Iron Man for all of Secret Wars.