Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Morpheus 02]

Marvel is up at CinemaCon today.

The first footage of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever was shown. Kevin Feige there will a creative team retreat soon to work out the next decade of MCU films that will focus on 3 key pillars: existing characters, new characters, and the multiverse

I'm still hoping that Wakanda Forever ends with a "Note: Shuri died on the way back to her own planet" scene, maybe as a mid credit scene That's also how I'm hoping Ant-Man 3 ends, but replace Shuri with Hope.

As for the retreat, hopefully it leads to great stuff. Those three pillars really seem like the standard stuff, although knowing that the multiverse is apparently an important pillar is interesting. I'd be up for more multiverse stuff, or maybe just actors from Non-MCU Marvel films making appearances. Maybe get Nic Cage as Johnny Blaze to interact with Dr. Strange or pass the Ghost Rider torch onto an MCU Danny Ketch (or bring back the guy who played Gabriel on AoS). Really the possibilites are endless, and unlike with Sony's weird stuff I generally trust the MCU to take advantage of a multiverse in interesting ways.

The Black COmmunity across the world will strongly disagree with Kirk's opinion.

With the Multiverse aspect, I don't think they will be doing a ton of projects like NWH/MoM but rather that the Multiverse will be their way of creating more diversity/strong stories without having it have to fit in the main MCU. For example, the Spiderverse movies. Or they might take a cue from the DC Film Universe and have some nonrelated projects with famiiar characters. So kinda like Joker and THE Batman, and do some things like that, but just write it off as Multiverse. Also, that could be another way to have Fantastic Four and/or X-Men.... where these heroes can be pre-established, and not have to explain why they never met/heard of before.

Why would he be? As far as I recall, nothing in this show has given us any indication that Steven hallucinates, beyond seeing Marc talking to him in mirrors. That's not the nature of his condition. Yes, he imagined talking to his mother on the phone every day, but every "conversation" we saw him have with her was actually leaving a message on her voice mail, saying he was sorry he missed her. We never actually saw him reacting as if he heard her voice.

Besides, as StCoop said, "Living Statue" performance artists can be found in any major city. It's one of the standard routines for street mimes. So what possible reason is there for thinking the Statue guy isn't real? That's a fundamental misreading of the bit. The idea is not that Steven is hallucinating -- the idea is that he's so pathetically lonely and friendless that the only person he can carry on a conversation with is a guy whose job requires him to stay frozen and silent so that he can't walk away or brush Steven off.

I mean, hell, if Steven were hallucinating a friend, surely he'd hallucinate one who did respond to him.

I wonder if the Living Statue is the MCU equivelent of Big Belly Burger & Jitters ... a familiar thing over the MCU.

By the way, Has Moon Knight so far been definitively in the MCU, or is there wiggle room to make it its own universe? That could be another aspect of the Multiverse pillar?

 

[FreezeC77]

It's beginning to look like (a Guardians) Christmas.

Looks like they found a solution for Dave Bautista saying he wasn't going to be able to keep doing Drax because he was getting too old to walk around shirtless.

 

[kirk55555]

The Black COmmunity across the world will strongly disagree with Kirk's opinion.

The only people that would disagree with my opinion on Shuri's actress are the Anti-Vaxxer "community" (and possibly the religious zealot "community", if I remember some of the other things that have been said by/about her), race has nothing to do with why Shuri's actor Letitia Wright, along with Hope Van Dyne's actor Evangeline Lily, need to just fuck off and go away.

Considering all the reports that say Wright was especially disruptive on set, including apparently delaying things specifically because of her Anti-Vax bullshit, she's almost certainly getting written off or recast after Wakanda Forever comes out. Maybe Lily could get to another film if she manages to shut up, but Wright has just about reached Gina Carano levels of nuts, and Carano didn't even specifically hold up filming of a project, she got fired because her being a gigantic asshole was bad PR (and, to be fair, she probably also pissed off co-workers on just a general lack of humanity level). Wright is doing similar stuff and also disrupting the project she was on, its really hard to see any outcome where Marvel/Disney isn't just done with her once the film comes out.

The character of Shuri was fine and definitely popular at the time the movie came out, and the obvious successor to the role of Black Panther, but they just cannot use Wright anymore. I really don't see any scenario where Shuri shows up in another MCU film unless she's recast.

 

[StCoop]

Actual video of the Guardians scene being shot complete with a cameo from a character from Eternals.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstud.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

[Anwar]

Actual video of the Guardians scene being shot complete with a cameo from a character from Eternals.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstud.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Don't forget the Go-Bot cameo too.

 

[The Knappos]

Why would he be? As far as I recall, nothing in this show has given us any indication that Steven hallucinates, beyond seeing Marc talking to him in mirrors. That's not the nature of his condition. Yes, he imagined talking to his mother on the phone every day, but every "conversation" we saw him have with her was actually leaving a message on her voice mail, saying he was sorry he missed her. We never actually saw him reacting as if he heard her voice.

Besides, as StCoop said, "Living Statue" performance artists can be found in any major city. It's one of the standard routines for street mimes. So what possible reason is there for thinking the Statue guy isn't real? That's a fundamental misreading of the bit. The idea is not that Steven is hallucinating -- the idea is that he's so pathetically lonely and friendless that the only person he can carry on a conversation with is a guy whose job requires him to stay frozen and silent so that he can't walk away or brush Steven off.

I mean, hell, if Steven were hallucinating a friend, surely he'd hallucinate one who did respond to him.

I mean, he talks frequently to a mother who isn’t there. And if he was to imagine a friend/listening post, he’d just as easily imagine things that would make it seem real to him as well. I’m not saying he is or even that I think he is. But the hypothetical was raised that he imagined the gold bloke, which was countered with the other people interacting with it, but it’s not outside of the realms of the possible that Steven imagined both.

I don’t believe it because independent of Steven’s presence (when he’s walked off) we see goldie display independent sentience. Unless Steven imagined that was what he would do after he’d walked off.

Delusional people are good at having detailed delusions like that.

 

[Christopher]

I mean, he talks frequently to a mother who isn’t there.

Did you miss the part where I already addressed that?

I don’t believe it because independent of Steven’s presence (when he’s walked off) we see goldie display independent sentience..

If you don't believe it, why are you wasting both our time arguing for it?

 

[The Knappos]

Did you miss the part where I already addressed that?




If you don't believe it, why are you wasting both our time arguing for it?

Says there you’re a writer? Why the beef with hypotheticals?

 

[Christopher]

Says there you’re a writer? Why the beef with hypotheticals?

I'm a writer, so I care about stories not being misunderstood. Deliberately arguing in favor of an erroneous interpretation of a story beat just interferes with understanding. Argument should serve to increase knowledge and understanding, not deliberately confuse an issue.

 

[The Knappos]

I'm a writer, so I care about stories not being misunderstood. Deliberately arguing in favor of an erroneous interpretation of a story beat just interferes with understanding. Argument should serve to increase knowledge and understanding, not deliberately confuse an issue.

Ambiguity and audience interpretation is the core of storytelling. This is why we have degrees for this stuff. And discussion forums, which is where we’re posting.

Many storytellers when asked “what does this mean?” will answer “what do you think?” Some would say the best storytellers.

Shutting that down, the discussion of possibilities, vagaries and interpretation is narrow minded and gate keeping.

 

[Jinn]

Says there you’re a writer?

Funnily enough, your profile picture is from the cover of a book Christopher's written It is a very lovely shot of the Enterprise.

 

[Christopher]

Funnily enough, your profile picture is from the cover of a book Christopher's written It is a very lovely shot of the Enterprise.

It's a great image, but it wasn't created for Greater than the Sum. It was a Ships of the Line calendar image that got reused as the cover when the original cover painting turned out not to be a good fit for the tone and content of the book, and there wasn't time to create a new one.

 

[JD]

The only people that would disagree with my opinion on Shuri's actress are the Anti-Vaxxer "community" (and possibly the religious zealot "community", if I remember some of the other things that have been said by/about her), race has nothing to do with why Shuri's actor Letitia Wright, along with Hope Van Dyne's actor Evangeline Lily, need to just fuck off and go away.

Considering all the reports that say Wright was especially disruptive on set, including apparently delaying things specifically because of her Anti-Vax bullshit, she's almost certainly getting written off or recast after Wakanda Forever comes out. Maybe Lily could get to another film if she manages to shut up, but Wright has just about reached Gina Carano levels of nuts, and Carano didn't even specifically hold up filming of a project, she got fired because her being a gigantic asshole was bad PR (and, to be fair, she probably also pissed off co-workers on just a general lack of humanity level). Wright is doing similar stuff and also disrupting the project she was on, its really hard to see any outcome where Marvel/Disney isn't just done with her once the film comes out.

The character of Shuri was fine and definitely popular at the time the movie came out, and the obvious successor to the role of Black Panther, but they just cannot use Wright anymore. I really don't see any scenario where Shuri shows up in another MCU film unless she's recast.

I don't think Lily's quite as bad, but from the bits and pieces I've seen, Wright is pretty high up on the wacko scale, so yeah we probably won't be seeing after Wakanda Forever. I just hope they recast Shuri instead of writing her out. I understand not recasting T'Chala out of respect for Chadwick Boseman, but without him, Shuri does seem like the next character to lead the series, so it would be another big blow to the series to have to write her out too. At least by recasting they can just pick up with where Wakanda Forever leaves off and keep going.

Actual video of the Guardians scene being shot complete with a cameo from a character from Eternals.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstud.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Is this the first time we've seen the Guardians on visiting an Earth city? I know they were part of the big battle in Endgame, but I can't remember if we saw them any where else on Earth in the other movies.

I mean, he talks frequently to a mother who isn’t there.

All we saw was him leaving voice mails for her, we never actually saw him talk to her. And from the way he talked in the messages he left her, it sounded like was all that ever happened, I think made a comment or two about how he always missed his chance to talk to her, and how she never called him back.

 

[Jinn]

It's a great image, but it wasn't created for Greater than the Sum. It was a Ships of the Line calendar image that got reused as the cover when the original cover painting turned out not to be a good fit for the tone and content of the book, and there wasn't time to create a new one.

Oh, that's interesting! Is the original image available anywhere online?

 

[Christopher]

All we saw was him leaving voice mails for her, we never actually saw him talk to her. And from the way he talked in the messages he left her, it sounded like was all that ever happened, I think made a comment or two about how he always missed his chance to talk to her, and how she never called him back.

Yup. I figured out by the second episode (at latest) that he wasn't talking to anyone, just leaving messages that never got answered. Of course, I knew he was an alternate personality, so I figured the mother he imagined didn't actually exist.

Oh, that's interesting! Is the original image available anywhere online?

Not that I know of. I was kind of hoping it would get repurposed for another book, since it was a well-done piece of art, just way, way too grim and somber for the story I was telling. But it never did.

 

[StCoop]

More Guardians photos, including straight out of the comics uniforms.

https://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/4751869/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3-filming-18/

 

[JD]

I'm curious what's up what appear to be aliens walking around in the middle of the city wearing casual Earth clothes. Are we reaching a point now where we just have aliens coming and living openly on Earth? After The Snap and everything that happened after it, it's gotta be common knowledge now that aliens, gods, and sorcerers all exist.

 

[CaptainWacky]

Or it's Counter-Earth: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Counter-Earth_(High_Evolutionary)

 

[StCoop]

Or it's Counter-Earth: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Counter-Earth_(High_Evolutionary)

I think you're spot on. They look like evolved animals (Rabbit, Pig, Squid, Rooster) rather than aliens.

 

[Christopher]

Are we reaching a point now where we just have aliens coming and living openly on Earth?

That happened as soon as New Asgard was established, didn't it?