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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Christopher said:
They were part of the first generation, though -- the original team that had grown up and decided (aside from Cyclops) to move on after Krakoa, ceding the life of X-Men to the new, younger team.
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I know, but I never got the impression the first gen was meant to be older than the the second gen, apart from Colossus.
 
YLu said:
I know, but I never got the impression the first gen was meant to be older than the the second gen, apart from Colossus.
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That's the impression I got from skimming the first post-Krakoa issue just a couple of hours ago. Maybe it was glossed over later in the series thanks to comic book time, but it did seem to be the initial intention that most of the All-New team was a few years younger than the original team, that the seniors were graduating and passing the torch to the new class, as it were.
 
Nerys Myk said:
Wasn't Forge's power being really good at inventing stuff? ;)
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LOL! Yes, but a better example would be poor Cypher, whose only ability was understanding codes and languages.

Grendelsbayne said:
Not really. Prejudice has nothing to do with the typical mutant. It's about the fear of what a mutant might be. Bigotry is always based on ignorance.
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Absolutely. Some mutants were known killers like Magneto, and others didn't look "normal" like Nightcrawler, but mostly it's the same kind of ignorant bullshit we see in the real world. That's why Claremont could use "mutant" as a metaphor for racism and Singer's X-Men movies could use it for homophobia. The graphic novel "God Loves, Man Kills" had a preacher call them "demonic". Same fear with different names.
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Hit-Monkey finally has a trailer and a release date (November 17):

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Honestly, much like the MODOK series, I completely forgot this was coming, although I'm still bummed out that the planned Howard the Duck show was dropped.

In Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 3 news, apparently the recent script reading left Karen Gillan and Pom Klementieff in a flood of tears. According to James Gunn, both Nebula and Mantis have large roles!
 
I hadn't either until the four-series announcement several years ago that included him, MODOK, Tigra, and Howard the Duck, with the idea of them accumulating to a Defenders-esque mini-series. Awhile back, the shows for the latter two were dropped for unknown reasons and presumably that mini-series idea has also been dropped. Considering the radically different animation styles between MODOK and Hit-Monkey, I'm not sure how that would've worked (maybe that's why it was dropped?).
 
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The Nth Doctor said:
Considering the radically different animation styles between MODOK and Hit-Monkey sure how that would've worked (maybe that's why it was dropped?).
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Generally when there's a crossover between two different animated series with different design styles, the guest characters are redesigned to fit the style of the "host" show, like when The Critic's Jay Sherman appeared on The Simpsons, or when the characters from The Zeta Project appeared on Batman Beyond. I recently binge-watched Marvel's Spider-Man on Disney+, including his guest appearance in a 2-parter on the animated Guardians of the Galaxy, and in the latter show, they drew him with a slightly less cartoony and considerably more muscular appearance, as well as rendering one of MSM's primary locations (Horizon High) in GotG's more realistic (and surprisingly beautiful) background-art style.

Although I've seen the occasional instance where the characters kept their own designs. There was one case -- I think it was a crossover between Kim Possible and Lilo & Stitch: The Series -- where the characters all kept their original designs, and the contrast in art styles, line thicknesses, etc. was jarring. And then there are some productions that embrace the difference in design styles and use it in the stories, like in Nickelodeon's crossovers between the 2D Fairly Oddparents and the 3D Jimmy Neutron, where the characters took on each other's animation style when they entered each other's universes and remarked on the change.

So if we're talking about a separate miniseries teaming up characters from multiple different shows, it's hard to guess what they might have done.
 
Yeah, but all of those are still roughly the same style, at least enough to fudge it and not look too out of place.

MODOK's and Hit-Monkey's animation styles are vastly different.
 
Commander Troi said:
I have never heard of Hit Monkey. This looks really weird!
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The Nth Doctor said:
I hadn't either until the four-series announcement several years ago that included him, MODOK, Tigra, and Howard the Duck, with the idea of them accumulating to a Defenders-esque mini-series. Awhile back, the shows for the latter two were dropped for unknown reasons and presumably that mini-series idea has also been dropped. Considering the radically different animation styles between MODOK and Hit-Monkey, I'm not sure how that would've worked (maybe that's why it was dropped?).
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The only reason I was aware of the character is because I stumbled across his miniseries while looking at Marvel stuff on Comixology. As an animal person the title and cover definitely caught my attention, but I've been to busy with other stuff to actually read it yet.
The show looks like a lot of fun though.
 
You know, something occurred to me.

Did they ever explain what happened to the pieces of Mjolnir after Hela destroyed it in Ragnarok? Even if the magic in there is gone, it's still made of that special Asgardian Metal.
 
No, they were completely forgotten after that moment. They're probably still sitting on that Norwegian cliffside and no one is able to move them...assuming anyone even noticed them.
 
 
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It was Mjolnir that was unusable by anyone that wasn't worthy, not the metal that was used to make Mjolnir. Once the hammer was destroyed my guess is the magic was broken and anyone could move the remains.

Most likely it was lost in a storm over the cliff or sunk into the ground and was grown over. Or maybe Thor went back and collected what he could find after IW. Or Shield detected the destruction and swooped in, putting it away in some lab.
 
Christopher said:
Kitty Pryde was thirteen when she joined the X-Men.

As for the others, I'm checking my Essential X-Men Vol. 1, and when Xavier first recruits Nightcrawler, he says he runs "a school for gifted youngsters such as you." And Colossus still lives with his parents when he's recruited. In issue 2, Banshee refers to the other X-Men as "all young people, students." I get the sense that, other than Banshee and Wolverine, they were supposed to be college-age at most.
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I managed to dig out my X-Men Special Edition which reprinted 'Giant Size X-Men' from 1975. There's a backup feature called 'A Day Like Any Other' which focuses on Kitty Pryde and Illyana Rasputin (who had just returned home from Limbo and aged up 10 years); at the end of the story, there's a surprise birthday party held for Kitty and the banner in the background says 'Happy 14th Birthday'.

The cover date is February 1983. Kitty first appeared in X-Men #129 dated January 1980. So, it took her three years to go from thirteen to fourteen.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Peter and Kurt were 21 or so when they joined the X-Men. I remember a few times during Claremont's run, Logan, Peter and Kurt going to the bar to have a beer; which, at one point, led to a confrontation with Juggernaut, who was there just trying to have a good time and not be harassed by the authorities.
 
DarrenTR1970 said:
I managed to dig out my X-Men Special Edition which reprinted 'Giant Size X-Men' from 1975. There's a backup feature called 'A Day Like Any Other' which focuses on Kitty Pryde and Illyana Rasputin (who had just returned home from Limbo and aged up 10 years); at the end of the story, there's a surprise birthday party held for Kitty and the banner in the background says 'Happy 14th Birthday'.

The cover date is February 1983. Kitty first appeared in X-Men #129 dated January 1980. So, it took her three years to go from thirteen to fourteen.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Peter and Kurt were 21 or so when they joined the X-Men. I remember a few times during Claremont's run, Logan, Peter and Kurt going to the bar to have a beer; which, at one point, led to a confrontation with Juggernaut, who was there just trying to have a good time and not be harassed by the authorities.
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I believe that same back up story describes Piotr as 19 years old.
 
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