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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Mentioned up-thread, Charles Gray only had a single film (1969's On Her Majesty's Secret Service) in between his Bond appearances as Dikko Henderson from 1967's You Only Live Twice and as Blofeld in 1971's Diamonds Are Forever. Contrary to the opinion (or wish) of some, no moviegoer had the expectation of the actor's first franchise character to have anything to do with the second.
The Dalton and Brosnan Bond films were released during an era of VHS and home rental, unlike the Connery, Lazenby and most Moore ones. (I mentioned the JDB appearances only being 2 movies apart, but of course, given the 1989-95 hiatus between Licence to Kill and Goldeneye, that was nearly as long as Maud Adams’ gap) People only got to see Bond movies every few years on tv, not whenever they wanted.

Plus not only did the likes of Gray reappear in different roles, but between You Only Live Twice and Live and Let Die, Bond was not played by the same actor in consecutive films, nor was Blofeld between YOLT and Diamonds Are Forever. Blofeld failed to recognise Bond in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, despite their meeting in the previous film (and OHMSS also has its fourth-window-breaking “this never happened to the other fellow). And then DAF makes no mention of Blofeld murdering Bond’s new bride in OHMSS.

Edit - even as recently as LTK, in which Felix Leiter had a major role, rather than bring back the actor who’d played the role in the film immediately beforehand, and who was a contemporary of Dalton, they had him played by the much older actor who’d previously played him in LALD, simply because Cubby Broccoli bumped into him in a restaurant and spontaneously invited him to reprise the role!

So, continuity was much less rigid back then, compared to an ongoing series where actors and characters last seen in a 2009 film are appearing in the next release.

That is not to say that I am in the “Doom will have a Tony connection” camp. I think it’s at least as likely that he won’t. As I said very soon after the announcement, I’m surprised that more people aren’t commenting on the fact that he played multiple characters in The Sympathiser and I think he is equally capable of doing so in the MCU. But at the same time, neither do I think it’s out of the question that he might be back as some form of Tony Stark variant. I think an open mind should be kept.
 
Joe Don Baker, Whitaker in The Living Daylights and then Wade in the Brosnan films? Only two movies apart, whereas Adams’ appearances were separated by a decade.

Of course there's 9 years between Adams' two performances and 8 between Bakers ;)

Mentioned up-thread, Charles Gray only had a single film (1969's On Her Majesty's Secret Service) in between his Bond appearances as Dikko Henderson from 1967's You Only Live Twice and as Blofeld in 1971's Diamonds Are Forever. Contrary to the opinion (or wish) of some, no moviegoer had the expectation of the actor's first franchise character to have anything to do with the second.

Thank you both. I'm handing back my Walther PPK as we speak...

I think it still needs to be said that in the case of both men, the roles were very different in scale. Dikko Henderson is a very minor character in only one scene, whereas Blofeld is the villain of the piece. In the case of Baker it's the reverse, Whittaker is the villain, whereas Wade is a secondary character (albeit one in way more scenes than Dikko Henderson).

We're still talking lesser known actors. In Bond terms what we'd have here is a situation whereby Daniel Craig comes back for the next film as the villain (please don't give Barbara Broccoli ideas!)

As for RDJ, I'm ok with the fact that I might be wrong, but spending $100 million on one of your franchise's most recognisable stars to come back only to 'disappear' into another role doesn't make a whole heap of sense, and especially not when you're bringing back Evans and (reputedly) Johansson as well.
 
Of course there's 9 years between Adams' two performances and 8 between Bakers ;)



Thank you both. I'm handing back my Walther PPK as we speak...

I think it still needs to be said that in the case of both men, the roles were very different in scale. Dikko Henderson is a very minor character in only one scene, whereas Blofeld is the villain of the piece. In the case of Baker it's the reverse, Whittaker is the villain, whereas Wade is a secondary character (albeit one in way more scenes than Dikko Henderson).

We're still talking lesser known actors. In Bond terms what we'd have here is a situation whereby Daniel Craig comes back for the next film as the villain (please don't give Barbara Broccoli ideas!)

As for RDJ, I'm ok with the fact that I might be wrong, but spending $100 million on one of your franchise's most recognisable stars to come back only to 'disappear' into another role doesn't make a whole heap of sense, and especially not when you're bringing back Evans and (reputedly) Johansson as well.
Yeah, that occurred to me when I was replying to @TREK_GOD_1 - long gone are the every other year releases for 007 movies!
 
Again these were fairly minor roles in Who, what we're talking about here is if Eccleston had come back as The Master in Tennant or Smith's run (which would have been awesome I guess).

Or it's when David Tennant came back to play the 14th Doctor. I'd hoped he'd play him differently, but that would have defeated the object. People didn't want a different 14th Doctor, they wanted a 14th Doctor who was essentially the 10th Doctor in a slightly different outfit.
 
Again these were fairly minor roles in Who, what we're talking about here is if Eccleston had come back as The Master in Tennant or Smith's run (which would have been awesome I guess).

Or it's when David Tennant came back to play the 14th Doctor. I'd hoped he'd play him differently, but that would have defeated the object. People didn't want a different 14th Doctor, they wanted a 14th Doctor who was essentially the 10th Doctor in a slightly different outfit.
Indeed. Jeffrey Combs and various others may have played multiple roles (under latex, much of the time) but William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy and Patrick Stewart didn’t. Though I kinda wish we’d gotten that Enterprise story where Shatner played Chef and was taken by Daniels to impersonate Captain Kirk for temporal Cold War reasons.
 
Or it's when David Tennant came back to play the 14th Doctor. I'd hoped he'd play him differently, but that would have defeated the object. People didn't want a different 14th Doctor, they wanted a 14th Doctor who was essentially the 10th Doctor in a slightly different outfit.
But he was played differently. Fourteen was much more open with his feelings and emotions than Ten. To the point where he himself even noticed it when talking about Wilf...

"God, I loved that man. Hmm. Is that who I am now?"
 
But he was played differently. Fourteen was much more open with his feelings and emotions than Ten. To the point where he himself even noticed it when talking about Wilf...

"God, I loved that man. Hmm. Is that who I am now?"
To me, it still felt like Ten, but just with more maturity and experience (and indeed weariness). David is capable of playing a Doctor like Six, an entirely new Doctor (Scottish accent, for example) or of playing the Master but the accent, mannerisms etc were all pretty redolent of Ten, IMHO.
 
Everyone on this board should be perfectly okay with actors playing multiple roles given how many actors played multiple Star Trek episodes. Jeffrey Combs alone had numerous memorable characters.

You're using logic in a place where that no longer applies. Trust me, I'm usually half drunk when I browse this place. Otherwise nothing makes sense.
 
I have always thought that the Avengers worked under the oversight of SHIELD in the beginning as a kind of elite squad that was called in for specific tasks. I've got nothing really to base that on other than the few lines of dialogue at the end of Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk. Maybe Iron Man 2 mentioned something, but I can't remember. So Captain America worked with SHIELD and the Avengers. When SHIELD fell, The Avengers became more of an independent initiative working under their own authority as we saw in the opening scene of Ultron.

I don't think the Avengers ever worked under SHIELD at all. Cap, Nat and Clint were SHIELD agents, but the Avengers as a group were cobbled together very informally during the first Avengers film and obviously not unanimously on board with the idea of Fury being in charge of them. The group then split up at the end of the movie and didn't come back together again until after SHIELD had already been dismantled.
 
The Avengers never worked under Fury, not even from the beginning.

Stark: "WE ARE NOT SOLDIERS! I'm not marching to Fury's fife."

Rogers: "Neither am I! He's got the same blood on his hands as Loki does. Right now, we've got to put that aside and get this done."

We then see Rogers gathering up Romanov and Barton and commandeering a quinjet without authorization...

Rogers: "Son, just don't."

After that, we see Fury and Hill reacting in surprise to the team leaving the helicarrier, realizing that they must have located Loki and got off on their own to stop him.

In fact, the only time Fury was in contact with any of the Avengers during that entire battle was when he informed Stark that there was a nuclear missile inbound.

And I'm not so sure that Age of Ultron was the first time that they assembled after the first movie. At the end of the first movie, we saw Tony redesigning his whole tower to be an Avengers headquarters, so it stands to reason that they were a going concern for the 3 years in between movies.
 
Didn't they refer to them having been going on other missions between Age of Ultron and Avengers?
 
But it does make sense that the Avengers would have some kind of agreement with the government the government would wants some sense of oversight over the Avengers. Just letting a group of rogue powerful people do whatever they want and to do nothing about it seems to not really go with something I would think the United States government would allow. We know also they were at the very least wanting to get control of Stark's Iron Man suits.
 
Meanwhile, in actual Marvel news, Deadline reports that Ed Bernero (Criminal Minds) will be the showrunner for the Nova series (definitively a series since that point was murky before), replacing Moon Knight scribe Sabir Pirzada.

Goes to show, yet again, even if we haven't heard anything about a project in awhile, that doesn't inherently mean it has been canceled.
 
Damn, I totally forgot that was even happening. I wonder if they'll bring back any of the Novas from the first Guardians of the Galaxy?
 
EW.com has a new article about Daredevil: Born Again, which reveals a bit more about how the show changed after the writers strike.
https://ew.com/daredevil-born-again-exclusive-photos-charlie-cox-interview-8741233
Apparently, it was originally going to be more of legal procedural, but Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio pushed to bring it more in line with the original series. They said that it actually gets more intense at times than the original, and that it was a challenge to find scenes that were appropriate for the 2025 sizzle reel that was released a little while ago.
 
Damn, I totally forgot that was even happening. I wonder if they'll bring back any of the Novas from the first Guardians of the Galaxy?
I have no idea if anything ever came of it (or if it was even true), but early rumors had them talking to both Glenn Close and John C Reilly about coming back.
 
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