nbd, it's just I typically see Season 2 Ep 1 as S2E1 is all
Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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With the upcoming release of "The Marvels", I find myself ruminating on a topic that I have brought up before. I'm sorry, but I cannot help it. The origin tales of both Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel and Kamala Khan aka Ms. Marvel were played out in their own respective solo productions. Yet, the MCU had only allowed Monica Rambeau's origin as Photon to be played out in someone else's solo production - namely "WandaVision".
I've asked this before and I'll ask again. Why? Why was Monica denied her own solo production before the release of "The Marvels"? I can only assume that this denial had originated with the MCU and Disney Studios' own racism. I've read other explanations for this, but they all came up empty, as far as I'm concerned.
I've asked this before and I'll ask again. Why? Why was Monica denied her own solo production before the release of "The Marvels"? I can only assume that this denial had originated with the MCU and Disney Studios' own racism. I've read other explanations for this, but they all came up empty, as far as I'm concerned.
Tbh, Idk. Mcu has a sketchy record when it comes to Black heroes
I liked Monica but she could've used more screen time to expand on her character. Maybe they should've given a show to her first and then spun Kamala out of that
I had the same reaction at first.
On the other hand, they gave a Pakistani Muslim heroine her own self-titled series, and in the same phase, they gave us two series with black leads, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and What If...?, as well as Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. And since then we've had Secret Invasion and have Ironheart coming up. And then there's Shang-Chi, Eternals, Moon Knight, and the upcoming Echo, so I'd say they've been doing pretty well on the representation front.
It seems more likely that it's just that Monica Rambeau isn't as high-profile a character as Captain or Ms. Marvel, both of whom have been quite popular over the past decade.
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Yep, it's totally racism that they didn't give this one character their own show even though they did give a show to Kamala and Sam Wilson and Nick Fury and Echo and Ironheart and War Machine is still getting a movie, which is without even mentioning the Black Panther films or Shang-Chi or the Eternals. That's Marvel. Totally unwilling to give shows or movies to non-white characters.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to be upset about the specific portrayal of certain characters. The idea that they're just refusing to make a show for a character because racism is obviously dumb. Especially when the people pushing said idea have never come up with an even remotely logical reason why said character needs a solo project to begin with.
Monica isn't "high-profile" enough to have her own solo production, but she's "high-profile" enough to be one of three leads in an upcoming movie? I really don't know how to respond to this. Not because I find it a reasonable answer, but I'm filled with certain emotions that I've decided to keep to myself.
Your response doesn't work for me. If the MCU is willing to allow these non-white characters to have their own solo productions, why was Monica Rambeau the only non-white character from "The Marvels" denied her own solo production before the movie's release? By the way, even Sam Wilson nearly became a supporting character in the previous movie he had shared with Bucky Barnes.
Of course it is a rather subjective matter regarding which character "deserves" a solo project, but in the separate issue of the treatment of black characters, actors or other personnel hired for Disney properties, yes, there are legitimate issues regarding race, particularly black people, as in the cases of John Boyega's explosive claims against LFL/Disney for his racially discriminatory mistreatment in his character & global advertising for the Star Wars sequel trilogy, or Anthony Mackie calling out Marvel for its lack of diversity in hiring (especially behind the camera) on non-black themed films. Disney can trumpet how "inclusive" and "progressive" it is, but where race is concerned, the company can--and have been legitimately questioned and/or charged from those on the inside of their biggest properties.
Pragmatically, there’s only so many slots in their release schedule. And as such there’s only so much room for lead characters. And Marvel has also (rightly, IMO) been criticised for over-saturation of the product. So to have made another series about a supporting character (and one recast to boot) would have been catch 22 anyway.
Monica is a supporting (child) character in Capt. Marvel and then quite a prominent one in Wandavision.
Despite “only” being a supporting character in Wandavision, she’s achieved status and position with no powers when she arrives in that series and she’s given significant focus with a tragic story too.
And Wandavision itself was the first time two characters appeared in leading capacities having had their origins in vehicles for other characters.
And now Monica is a co-lead.
I don’t think it’s anything sinister.
Monica is a supporting (child) character in Capt. Marvel and then quite a prominent one in Wandavision.
Despite “only” being a supporting character in Wandavision, she’s achieved status and position with no powers when she arrives in that series and she’s given significant focus with a tragic story too.
And Wandavision itself was the first time two characters appeared in leading capacities having had their origins in vehicles for other characters.
And now Monica is a co-lead.
I don’t think it’s anything sinister.
That is not an excuse. Both Wanda and Vision were supporting characters. So were Clint and Natasha. They all got solo productions in the end. Both Peter Parker and T'Challa were supporting characters in "Civil War". Within less than two years, both received their solo movies. So, this argument doesn't hold water with me.
Bolded the operative bit. Unless the end of time is nigh, there’s still a chance.
But also, not every character is a main eventer. It’s not necessarily a bad thing to be a mid-carder. But Monica is very clearly an upper-mid-carder securing as she has a co-lead role next month.
Hence me just describing the thumbnail not the content, because I took one look and clicked the "do not recommend this channel" button.
Yep. And there's even a thread dedicated to it.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/loki-season-2-spoilers-and-discussion.315181/
Filoni can't do anything but gutless fanservice
Well, that's certainly is an opinion. I'm almost afraid to ask, but how is Filoni any different than Feige in that regard?
I didn't say terrible record. But Monica is a more prominent character than Kamala, or Echo, or even Yelena Belova (whom I find irritating)
Is she? Maybe over the grand swath of Marvel history, but I'd say to the contemporary audience, Kamala is probably bigger. I know I've read plenty of Ms. Marvel comics but rarely read anything that had Monica Rambeau in it, though I'm far from an exhaustive comics reader. My impression of Monica, admittedly a vague one, is that she's a character that never quite managed to break into the A-list despite multiple sincere attempts to raise her profile. Whereas Ms. Marvel is a breakout star.
Well a-list is a somewhat subjective term. She was the leader of the Avengers back in the day. She was certainly more relevant to the Avengers than Natasha Romanoff. And she recently had a solo.
I think the point about racism stands more about Black and other PoC heroes were historically treated as afterthoughts. Kamala comes in a more open minded and supportive era.
To be fair, Filoni has a very specific slice of Star Wars that he cares about, and it gets an inordinate amount of focus. The MCU has much more variety in the characters and types of stories that it does then Star Wars does, even though Star Wars has a whole galaxy of possible characters and stories to tell.
I'm far from a Filoni hater, but I'll admit to getting tired of almost every live action show having to be built upon the prequels/TCW Cartoon/Rebels. Even the MCU stuff I don't like, like Eternals, is at least noticeably different to stuff like Black Panther or Shang-Chi. With Filoni you'd better love TCW/Rebels as much as he does, and honestly I think its hitting diminishing returns, especially since his writing quality seems to be wavering (how he managed to make Ahsoka by far the least interesting/most boring character in her own show really blows my mind).