Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

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  2. A

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  3. A-

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  4. B+

    7.8%
  5. B

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  6. B-

    2.6%
  7. C+

    1.9%
  8. C

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  9. C-

    3.2%
  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
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  11. D

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  1. JD

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    Especially if it ends the way the comic event did. :evil:
     
  2. Relayer1

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    Just have a drink go over him from behind. An unshaven Jackman turns around runnung his hands trough his beery hair (thus avoiding the patented Wolverine style) with a wet cigar in his mouth...
     
  3. DWF

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    That sounds alittle like they did in the last Night In The Museum movie, where Huge Jackman was a stage actor who merely acted like Wolverine in his scene.
     
  4. Reverend

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    I'm sure Marvel would jump at the chance at getting Jackman as Wolverine in there if it were feasible. Even if they get him in there without calling the character by name or showing the claws I'm sure there would still be some grounds for a contract violation lawsuit. At the very least it would sour Fox's relationship with Jackman and I doubt he'd want to burn that bridge. It's not good business.

    I do have to wonder however who owns the movie rights for X-23? IIRC technically she wasn't originally an X-Men character in the comics, so there may be some loophole akin to getting Wanda & Pietro in AoU.
    Obviously they'd have to tweak her origins, but that could be as simple as being coy about the source of the tissue sample they cloned her from.
     
  5. bbjeg

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    With Days of Future's Past erasing it's predeceasing movies and Sony making deals with Marvel to add Spidey to the MCU, what's the chances of Fox doing something similar? I know they green-lit Age of Apocalypse, but that too can change the past in MCU's favor.
     
  6. Reverend

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    Doubtful. Fox are more likely to stubbornly hold onto the X-Men even if they aren't making a profit at the box office, just to make sure that's one more thing Marvel can't use to compete with them.

    The only reason Sony are playing ball now is because the hacked aired out all their dirty laundry regarding previous negotiations and their corporate overlords *instructed* them to do as they're told.

    Indeed, if Marvel thought there was an outside chance of that happening, they're wouldn't be putting all this weight behind using the Inhumans as a mutant/X-Men substitute.
     
  7. Hartzilla2007

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    Which is also reminding me why I think the X-men and MCU being separate works better, because you don't get the whole some heroes who get super powers one way are good while heroes who get them in a somewhat different from way are bad and should be exterminated or locked up with an explanation that only matters to academics and probably not to the general public as the justification.
     
  8. Anwar

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    Actually, the way the MCU is the Mutant thing would make sense. Most of the MCU heroes who are on Earth aren't really superhuman (Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, War Machine), work for the Government (Captain America), aren't on Earth much (Thor) or are feared (The Hulk).

    So it still works.
     
  9. Skywalker

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    That's going to change once more and more Inhumans start popping up and become public knowledge. At that point the MCU won't really need mutants, to be honest.
     
  10. Alidar Jarok

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    Keep in mind they are making money (and just finished their most successful film) so it's kind of a moot point whether or not they would hold onto the rights if they weren't making money.
     
  11. Hartzilla2007

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    Because super spy assassins and guys with power armor which can take out armies are so much better :rolleyes:

    Captain America doesn't currently work for the government anymore.

    Not any more form the looks of it.

    And yet has an action figure and possibly a fanbase.

    No freaking out becuase some got powers from being exposed to space gas, but not if its something like standing too close to nuclear reactor doesn't work. Which is why the inhuman thing makes Marvel's normal people's double standards even worse.
     
  12. Reverend

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    Regarding Inhumans with powers vs non-Inhumans with powers; it's entirely possible that all the "gifted" that SHIELD already knew about are actually Inhumans who had their change triggered (accidentally or otherwise) by means other than the terrigen mists. Like for example, perhaps Erskine's formula was based (knowingly or otherwise) on samples taken from the GH corpse and/or a crystal from one of the diviners?

    It's also possible that they're not of Inhuman ancestry at all and what is being triggered is something much older and seemingly innate to humans as a species. Remember again that the Kree tried this on many other worlds and it *only* worked here. Not only that but it worked too well. Like off the charts, potentially the Inhuman equivalent of omega level mutants. So powerful their Kree masters could barely contain them, much less control them.

    There may be some tampering even further back in our history. Celestials perhaps? Something to do with our place in Yggdrasil?

    Sure, I was just making the point that even in a situation like the one with Sony & Spider-man (as cited in the post I was replying to) it just wouldn't happen, regardless of finances.
     
  13. Anwar

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    Well...yeah, they are. In the end they're just humans.

    He did for the majority of his career, and in the public's eye he still is working for the government or in the common's peoples' interests.

    And we'll see how this affects the public's perception of him.

    Which doesn't change that when he goes on a rampage he'll be feared.

    It does. Because most of them are just normal people and not inherently different from normal humans, and there's such a small number of them.

    Compared to mutants, where there are millions of them all over the place, some of them are just plain psychos who like using their powers to harm defenseless people (I mean really, guys like Kelly and Trask aren't 100% wrong), and we have mutant terrorist overlords who try to annihilate humanity (Magneto) several times over and the good ones only ever react to the bad guys and do little to work out peaceful relations on their own.

    In that context, it would make sense for MCU humans to be less trusting of mutants than the Avengers. Because there's only 6 or so Avengers and for the most part none act like a secret cult making decisions for humanity the way the X-Men do.
     
  14. Reverend

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    ^I suspect that at some point there will be a mass release of the terrigen mists and *every* potential Inhuman will be transformed. Then you'll have your millions of mutants and (potentially) a prime set-up for Civil War. ;)
     
  15. Anwar

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    Here's hoping that it'll be a more nuanced conflict than how Singer made the Mutant/Human stuff in X-Men. There, despite being semi-justified in their beliefs, the movies never seemed to portray normal humans in the right at all.
     
  16. Reverend

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    Well a TV show and a series of movies offers more opportunities for a wider scope and deeper narrative than just a series of movies, no? ;)
     
  17. JD

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    At this point, I'm thinking the empty case of Diviners was setting up exactly that.
    The comics also recently did it.
     
  18. Hartzilla2007

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    So basically staying with the source material.

    Besides the U.S. government in the The Last Stand seemed to have a sensible position of leave the non threatening mutants alone and just go after the criminal mutants.
     
  19. Anwar

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    The MCU movies aren't afraid of having their Protagonists be in the wrong or have their antagonists have a point, which would be a very welcoming change in the X-Men movies..
     
  20. Hartzilla2007

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    When the hell have any of the MCU protagonists been wrong about some thing?