Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Anwar]

Perlmutter was in charge of the movies and comics for years until 2015 or so, until Kevin Feige convinced the Disney Board to remove Perlmutter from the movies. Perlmutter wasn't happy about this and made sure he and his puppet Jeph Loeb (who lost his talent years ago) had total control over the TV stuff and cartoons...until 2019 when the Disney Board removed Perlmutter from those as well and gave Loeb and Perlmutter's other Yes Man Joe Queseda (another guy who lost what little talent he had years ago) their walking papers and put Feige in charge of everything. Perlmutter was still there because he owns a significant amount of Disney stock but his position had little power.

Now apparently the Board had enough dirt on him to completely remove him from everything Marvel.

 

[Christopher]

I read an article saying how Marvel Entertainment was this small, peripheral branch of Marvel because it was "only" responsible for the comic books, which bring in a tiny fraction of Marvel's revenues. It was the comics that started it all, that defined Marvel for most of its existence, that are the source of all their IP, and now they've become an afterthought.

 

[Rich Watson]

The majority of Marvel comics sell less than 50,000 copies. Not in the US; worldwide.

Plus unlike DC, Marvel doesn't have a stong backlist of TPBs that are constantly selling.

 

[Christopher]

The majority of Marvel comics sell less than 50,000 copies. Not in the US; worldwide.

Isn't that due to the direct-market system? It used to be that comic books were sold on newsstands, in grocery stores, pretty much all over, and they were much more widely read. But once it all went to direct distribution to comics shops, they became much more of a niche item, more for collectors than casual readers. Or so I've seen it explained.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Vanity Fair has published a detailed article about Secret Invasion with lots of photographs and new details about the show's premise, including who Emilia Clarke, Kingsley Ben-Adir, and Olivia Colman are playing:

Now a group of Skrull extremists has arisen—and they’re tired of asking and tired of waiting. The clandestine takeover in Secret Invasion is their solution, and Gravik (played by One Night in Miami’s Kingsley Ben-Adir) is the resistance leader who has radicalized them. He breaks from the Talos-led faction to seize the resources they need—first quietly, while in disguise, then by force, if needed. The story line mirrors countless true stories from actual history when displaced groups have first fractured, then lashed out after patience and diplomacy are exhausted.

“I think any time that you get cultures that have significant tensions between groups of people, then you can find a corollary,” says Mendelsohn. “The Cold War stuff is the big one that jumps out, but there is plenty of strife between groups of people that this addresses.”

(Fair warning—the showrunners don’t consider the following a spoiler, but some fans might.)

Spoiler: Emilia Clarke's character

The conflict is not just geopolitical, it’s personal. One Skrull radical, Emilia Clarke’s G’iah (pronounced “Guy-ah”), has issues with Talos that go far deeper than most. While this is the Game of Thrones actor’s first appearance in a Marvel Studios project, her character has actually appeared before.

When asked about Clarke’s character, Jackson points out a scene from 2019’s Captain Marvel in which Fury witnesses a reunion between Mendelsohn’s Talos and his long-lost Skrull family aboard a space station orbiting Earth. “Remember when Ben was there with his wife and daughter?” Jackson says. “She’s the little Skrull girl grown up. She’s his daughter.”

​

I love that this show is deliberately borrowing from John le Carré's Cold War spy thrillers and shows like The Americans and Homeland. My excitement for this show continues to grow!

Edit: Just noticed that this article is behind a paywall unless you haven't viewed your one free article (per month, I think?).

 

[Rich Watson]

Isn't that due to the direct-market system? It used to be that comic books were sold on newsstands, in grocery stores, pretty much all over, and they were much more widely read. But once it all went to direct distribution to comics shops, they became much more of a niche item, more for collectors than casual readers. Or so I've seen it explained.

Most of the copies that went to newsstands would end up being unsold and then pulped and the people selling them made far less profit than they would from something else of an equivalent size. So it wasn't a case of abandoning them so much as not being wanted.

 

[Dee1891]

Perlmutter was in charge of the movies and comics for years until 2015 or so, until Kevin Feige convinced the Disney Board to remove Perlmutter from the movies. Perlmutter wasn't happy about this and made sure he and his puppet Jeph Loeb (who lost his talent years ago) had total control over the TV stuff and cartoons...until 2019 when the Disney Board removed Perlmutter from those as well and gave Loeb and Perlmutter's other Yes Man Joe Queseda (another guy who lost what little talent he had years ago) their walking papers and put Feige in charge of everything. Perlmutter was still there because he owns a significant amount of Disney stock but his position had little power.

Now apparently the Board had enough dirt on him to completely remove him from everything Marvel.

I couldn't care less about Perlmutter. Good riddance. But I'm not a fan of Feige either and his handling of the MCU in the past 6 to 7 years.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Vanity Fair has published a detailed article about Secret Invasion with lots of photographs and new details about the show's premise, including who Emilia Clarke, Kingsley Ben-Adir, and Olivia Colman are playing:

Now a group of Skrull extremists has arisen—and they’re tired of asking and tired of waiting. The clandestine takeover in Secret Invasion is their solution, and Gravik (played by One Night in Miami’s Kingsley Ben-Adir) is the resistance leader who has radicalized them. He breaks from the Talos-led faction to seize the resources they need—first quietly, while in disguise, then by force, if needed. The story line mirrors countless true stories from actual history when displaced groups have first fractured, then lashed out after patience and diplomacy are exhausted.

“I think any time that you get cultures that have significant tensions between groups of people, then you can find a corollary,” says Mendelsohn. “The Cold War stuff is the big one that jumps out, but there is plenty of strife between groups of people that this addresses.”

(Fair warning—the showrunners don’t consider the following a spoiler, but some fans might.)

Spoiler: Emilia Clarke's character

The conflict is not just geopolitical, it’s personal. One Skrull radical, Emilia Clarke’s G’iah (pronounced “Guy-ah”), has issues with Talos that go far deeper than most. While this is the Game of Thrones actor’s first appearance in a Marvel Studios project, her character has actually appeared before.

When asked about Clarke’s character, Jackson points out a scene from 2019’s Captain Marvel in which Fury witnesses a reunion between Mendelsohn’s Talos and his long-lost Skrull family aboard a space station orbiting Earth. “Remember when Ben was there with his wife and daughter?” Jackson says. “She’s the little Skrull girl grown up. She’s his daughter.”

​

I love that this show is deliberately borrowing from John le Carré' Cold War spy thrillers and shows like The Americans and Homeland. My excitement for this show continues to grow!

Edit: Just noticed that this article is behind a paywall unless you haven't viewed your one free article (per month, I think?).

I said pretty much as soon as Secret Invasion was announced that

Spoiler

the bad Skrull faction would include either Talos fighting his old allies or else his wife or daughter fighting him.

It's just the obvious dramatic choice.

 

[Commander Troi]

I said pretty much as soon as Secret Invasion was announced that

Spoiler

the bad Skrull faction would include either Talos fighting his old allies or else his wife or daughter fighting him.

It's just the obvious dramatic choice.

Yes, yes, you're very smart.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Josh Friedman, writer of Avatar 2 is (re?) writing the Fantastic Four script https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...four-movie-gets-new-writer-marvel-1235364511/

 

[Anwar]

It's entirely possible they've merged Talos' Daughter and Abigail Brand into one character for this.

Like how Nolan took Henri Ducard and Ra's Al Ghul and made them the same person in his movies.

Or how Bryan Singer merged William Stryker and Professor Thornton into the same character in the FoX-Men movies.

 

[Rich Watson]

Josh Friedman, writer of Avatar 2 is (re?) writing the Fantastic Four script https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...four-movie-gets-new-writer-marvel-1235364511/

They seem to be changing writers a lot recently.

 

[JD]

That's really not that unusual, a lot big movies like this go through multiple drafts by a ton of different writers.

Vanity Fair has published a detailed article about Secret Invasion with lots of photographs and new details about the show's premise, including who Emilia Clarke, Kingsley Ben-Adir, and Olivia Colman are playing:

Now a group of Skrull extremists has arisen—and they’re tired of asking and tired of waiting. The clandestine takeover in Secret Invasion is their solution, and Gravik (played by One Night in Miami’s Kingsley Ben-Adir) is the resistance leader who has radicalized them. He breaks from the Talos-led faction to seize the resources they need—first quietly, while in disguise, then by force, if needed. The story line mirrors countless true stories from actual history when displaced groups have first fractured, then lashed out after patience and diplomacy are exhausted.

“I think any time that you get cultures that have significant tensions between groups of people, then you can find a corollary,” says Mendelsohn. “The Cold War stuff is the big one that jumps out, but there is plenty of strife between groups of people that this addresses.”

(Fair warning—the showrunners don’t consider the following a spoiler, but some fans might.)

Spoiler: Emilia Clarke's character

The conflict is not just geopolitical, it’s personal. One Skrull radical, Emilia Clarke’s G’iah (pronounced “Guy-ah”), has issues with Talos that go far deeper than most. While this is the Game of Thrones actor’s first appearance in a Marvel Studios project, her character has actually appeared before.

When asked about Clarke’s character, Jackson points out a scene from 2019’s Captain Marvel in which Fury witnesses a reunion between Mendelsohn’s Talos and his long-lost Skrull family aboard a space station orbiting Earth. “Remember when Ben was there with his wife and daughter?” Jackson says. “She’s the little Skrull girl grown up. She’s his daughter.”

​

I love that this show is deliberately borrowing from John le Carré's Cold War spy thrillers and shows like The Americans and Homeland. My excitement for this show continues to grow!

Edit: Just noticed that this article is behind a paywall unless you haven't viewed your one free article (per month, I think?).

That's pretty much the approach I was expecting Secret Invasion to take. Still sounds like it'll be good though. The spoiler was not what I was expecting.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I imagine there's going to be a lot of spectacular, amazing and unbelievable announcements coming in the next day or so. Don't believe any of them.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

So you're telling me the big Disney+ special that features Grogu touring the MCU isn't happening?!

 

[Reverend]

I imagine there's going to be a lot of spectacular, amazing and unbelievable announcements coming in the next day or so. Don't believe any of them.

*glances at calendar*
Oh right, it's "don't read anything on the internet for at least 24hrs" day. They come around so fast!

 

[publiusr]

I imagine there's going to be a lot of spectacular, amazing and unbelievable announcements coming in the next day or so. Don't believe any of them.

I hope they introduce Doctor Doom as Salieri …maybe by having him recollect his wedding gone wrong…him lamenting the breakup of the Fantastic Four:

“No introduction is necessary…you know their origins, child.”

You have him absent minded you doling out punishments, Doombots…unconnected images…fighting Iron Man toe to toe…a day in the life…but it has no meaning.

Here is where Mephisto and his realm need be introduced…if for no other reason for one of the best lines in Marvel history:

Doom: “I’m not supposed to be here.”
MEPHISTO: “That’s what they all say.”

 

[Reverend]

I think at this point, the MCU should just avoid Mephisto on general principle. That way they can always rely on a dedicated portion of the fanbase utterly convinced that *this* time it really will be him for sure!

 

[somebuddyX]

Man I can't believe Terrence Howard and Edward Norton are coming back for Secret Invasion.

 

[The Knappos]

Man I can't believe Terrence Howard and Edward Norton are coming back for Secret Invasion.

And once upon a time I would never have thought Bret Hart would have been in a WWF/WWE ring after 1997/1999.