I could see that if you were talking about any other studio, but Marvel has taken plenty of risks that paid off.
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I could see that if you were talking about any other studio, but Marvel has taken plenty of risks that paid off.
Sure...but height shouldn't be a factor in that equation. It's a meaningless differential.
But it isn't meaningless. It's a part of the character. It changes how they come across visually and presentationally.
As I've said, it's not at all meaningless, because a wolverine is a small animal. That was the whole point of Len Wein's concept behind the character, that he was named after a wolverine because he was small but disproportionately strong and aggressive. (Indeed, I think he was originally supposed to be an actual wolverine mutated into humanoid form.) So casting a 6'2" guy in the role was always incongruous, and it was several movies before they finally came up with a decent explanation for why he had that epithet. Casting someone who actually fits the name would simplify matters.
And of course, the height was just one of the differences between Jackman and the comics' Wolverine. Jackman is handsome and glamorous, Wolverine is ugly and bestial. Heck, they even shaved (waxed?) Jackman's chest for Days of Future Past, even though the comics' Wolverine is almost grotesquely hirsute. Again, I'm not saying that's "wrong." Acknowledging a difference isn't arguing rightness or wrongness, merely evaluating the facts. I'm just saying it would be an interesting alternative approach to see a more page-authentic version of Wolverine brought to live action for a change.
There's honestly so few short, built, hairy actors in Hollywood. Really you're limited to comedic actors, or former child stars.
Ideally you'd take someone like Jack Black or Zach Galifianakis and put them through a crash workout routine, but they're both like 15-20 years too old. I'm unaware of any famous short/hairy actors below the age of 40.
Maybe you could get Daniel Radcliffe to bulk up? He can grow a decent beard, so he should be able to do the chops.
Ideally you'd take someone like Jack Black or Zach Galifianakis and put them through a crash workout routine, but they're both like 15-20 years too old. I'm unaware of any famous short/hairy actors below the age of 40.
Maybe you could get Daniel Radcliffe to bulk up? He can grow a decent beard, so he should be able to do the chops.
Or you get someone who isn't famous yet, as the MCU has done plenty of times. And the hair can be done in make-up if necessary.
Its not about it being "just a super strong metal" but the very idea of Adamantium is almost exclusively identified by one character, so in the event a plot concerning Adamantium is in CA4, it will not be some minor sub-plot, considering how it will figure in future MCU productions.
The Cap films have not changed their tone, and the subject is how bringing more of the 4th wall-breaking business into the MCU changes the tone & perception of its universe.
If adamantium is connected to the giant aborted baby in the ocean, then there’s still going to have to have been an alternate source of it because Wolverine’s longevity demands that he’s had it for years before he comes out of obscurity.
Why would they limit themselves to Hollywood? A ton of MCU stars right now are from England -- Tom Holland, Benedicts Cumberbatch & Wong, Florence Pugh, Letitia Wright, Tom Hiddleston, Charlie Cox, Gemma Chan. Chris Hemsworth is Australian, Simu Liu is Canadian, Karen Gillan is Scottish, Pom Klementieff is French, etc.
For that matter, there's no reason Wolverine has to be white any more than Nick Fury does. Since he's Canadian, how about a First Nations actor? Or a Japanese actor, given how closely Wolverine's past is tied to Japan.
Also, what's wrong with comedic actors? They're usually great at dramatic roles, better than the reverse. Comedy is harder than drama, requiring perfect delivery and timing, so of course comedy actors can do drama well. And there's nothing wrong with former child stars either. Robert Downey Jr. and Natalie Portman are both in that category. So are Christian Bale and Joseph Gordon-Leavitt.
Being Disney/Marvel they might just go from Jackman to X-23.
Well, Dafne Keen just finished up His Dark Materials.
But it wouldn't make sense for it to be a big deal now, if it's been around in a big enough supply for Department K or whoever the MCU goes with, to coat Wolverine's skeleton in it. And I'm not sure if I buy the Celestial being a source of Adamantium, it looked more like marble in the Eternals.
As long as it's something that only happens in She Hulk and Deadpool, I don't see the problem. This a universe where we have talking trees, raccoons, and dogs, existing alongside Norse gods, wizards, and super soldiers, so it's not like this was some super grounded, realistic universe before She Hulk started talking to the audience. And besides, it's being not presented as a documentary, so we know going in that it's not going to be done with total realism.
Exactly.
I don't like the idea of adamantium coming from the Celestial, because adamantium isn't an alien element, it's an advanced alloy of steel. In the comics, proto-adamantium had vibranium in it and was used to make Captain America's shield. True adamantium was created later without vibranium, and is not quite as strong as Cap's shield. In the MCU, the shield is pure vibranium, and that substance is important and well-established in the MCU, so maybe it would be a good idea to make the MCU version of adamantium a vibranium steel alloy.
That could be cool.
That could be cool.
Damn lucky.
His leg might have got trapped under it as it was going. It's not going to shred a person but it can be dangerous
I was using "Hollywood" as shorthand for an established "name" actor. Of course there are people like Simu Liu they plucked out of nowhere, but they tend to be in the distinct minority when it comes to leading roles.
I think a partly or entirely indigenous Logan would be interesting, though it would make the "hairy as hell" thing a bit more difficult.
Nothing is wrong with comedic actors. Lots of comedic actors put in terrific dramatic performances. My point is that generally speaking men under say 5'7" do not get roles in Hollywood unless they are funny or they happened to get established as child actors, when it wasn't clear how short they were going to be, and it's actually gotten worse with time (most of the name actors who are short are over 60). It's a comment about the heightism in Hollywood.
And Marvel does not limit itself to Hollywood conventionality, but is willing to push the envelope. "Hollywood" assumed that an action movie led by black or Asian actors or a female lead would be doomed to failure in the US box office, and Marvel proved them wrong.
I mean, come on, Marvel made stars out of a raccoon and a tree. The hell with conventional wisdom.
No he hasn't, at least it is not necessary to the character. He has been alive for at least a hundred years, but the adamantium addition is more recent. In fact CA4 would be an ideal place for him to show up as Logan and Steve fought together during WWII.