Well, obviously by making movies and series whose protagonists are women or women who are non-white they are creating the enemy.
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Well, obviously by making movies and series whose protagonists are women or women who are non-white they are creating the enemy.
Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows
They are very accommodating that way.The one thing I’ve noticed is that the general audience and/or fans always seems ready to support everyone’s personal take on the subject.
I was going to make the same joke.
The fact is, feeling like your destiny is at the whim of powerful and capricious forces beyond your control is incredibly relatable for most people. In a way, characters are never more relatable than when they have to grapple with that.
Why not just stick to the comics that don't star Deadpool? Like, if someone hates gritty noir, then they avoid Daredevil and can stick to stuff like Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer or whatever. Its grittiness doesn't somehow... contaminate those other books. They wouldn't wish Daredevil was cancelled so they could enjoy their more fantastical fare in peace. If you don't like silliness, just don't read the silly books.
It doesn't mean anything for the entire world because it's only happening in her own series.
Where I did say otherwise?
You're the one who claimed 4th wall breaking is a problem that 'cannot be ignored'. That's bs. It clearly can be, by many people. In fact, many clearly don't even need to ignore it because they don't experience it as a problem at all. Your inability (or unwillingness) to ignore it does not mean that it is actually impossible to do.
You are not exaggerating. Thor is less than a shell of the stronger character of his 1st movie; he has not evolved--he's just the butt of a very bad running joke.
That's the point: some fantasy cannot pull off the commentary within the fantasy framework as well as regular TV dramas, which addressed subjects of this kind with far greater investment in the overall series tapestry, attention to real concerns / impact with characters, particularly in 21st century TV in the genres mentioned in my earlier post. The one, recent exception to this analysis is The Falcon and the Winter Soldier--as Spellman is a far superior writer who chose the topics of racialized experimentation, government abuse, false imprisonment, eugenics, questions about which race is "more American" / can represent the stars and stripes, and seamlessly integrated it in what must be called a Marvel sub-genre (Captain America stories), which at its best, always took on stories about the "American Identity", race and government's involvement in it.
Instead of those grim subjects seeming like its trying to make a point, it made the most effective sociopolitical statement of any MCU production to date. Nothing else in the franchise comes close, and it served as an example of how a present day fantasy production can sell its comic book side, while merging with real world matters in a powerful way not seen since a production from the "other side of the street" handled that in the form of Black Lightning--two series that addressed major issues the average TV drama does not touch (and I'm not strictly talking about "general" interpersonal racial matters).
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Just because you accept something as silly as characters breaking the 4th wall in a film universe that was originally not set up to go in that direction does not mean anyone else has to.
As a response to your generalizing:
And? My reply to you is as valid as yours, but you seem to have some great difficulty accepting with the fact that there are viewers who have a rational basis for rejecting the silly 4th wall breaking and its effect of the perception of the way the universe had been established. No one is obligated to accept that.
Its called choice for a reason, guy.
Except my response was specifically to you ridiculously overgeneralizing by claiming that breaking the 4th wall "cannot be ignored". It can be. You just don't. No one said you have to or even that you should. Just that it can be and your refusal to admit otherwise isn't rational.
The only thing ridiculous is your hyper-defensive stand that a series with a running continuity / events can skippity-skip over the introduction of 4th wall breaking characters as an official part of this franchise narrative (your "inability (or unwillingness) to ignore it"). Pretending that has no bearing on the perception of the overall universe is...shall we say...silly, or desperate.
I agree with you about FatWS, and Black Lightning, but I really thought that She-Hulk did an amazing job satirizing the issues that it was attacking: toxic masculinity in fandom, the continued sexism women face in the workplace, how we as a society treat women with a double standard in we continue to expect see them with the "madonna/promiscuous" dichotomy, the way we treat and denigrate stardom at the same time, and how we as a fandom can become so obsessed with our versions of how the media should be portrayed that we can't accept deviations from that. The episodes really made me think about these issues and how they exist in the real world and led to some conversations between my wife and I that we have never had before.
I could have stuck with comics that didn't have Deadpool. But he was everywhere at the time. I just think Marvel started to lose their way back in the mid to late 90's and pretty much gave up. DC as well. I think Marvel at one point had over 80 titles. Most in the marvel universe. They did so many crossovers to get you to buy more books it was ridiculous. They really haven't learned their lesson yet.
The last Arcs I really got into with Marvel was the Clone saga in the spiderman books and Age of Apocalypse.
I will admit it's easier to ignore the silly stuff with the books since they are continually retconning. But with the films I have a tougher time of ignoring it.
It feels to me anyways ..that the films are going the way of the books. Too much product hitting at once and in some cases you need to watch a certain film or series to get the full story.
I managed to avoid him. I don't think I own a single issue of Deadpool and I was reading a lot of comics.
Is there? They seem to be pacing releases out. Not a whole lot of crossover. The last few movies were Doctor Strange MoM, Thor L&T and Black Panther WF. The last TV shows were Moon Knight, Ms Marvel and She-Hulk AaL. I think they did a good job of getting the audience up to speed without requiring them to watch previous films.
While I don't entirely disagree about the problem of bloat, if there's a lot of product then it's more important than ever to diversify it and use a variety of different tones. Including, yes, silly stuff.
Okay, so according to the latest rumors it's what we speculated for Captain America 4:
Ross has indeed become the President of the United States, and the plot will be about how the World Powers are trying to all claim the dead Celestials' body to mine it for new resources. Especially Adamantium.
In this context, the Leader may actually be the head scientist appointed by the US to research Adamantium.
Ross has indeed become the President of the United States, and the plot will be about how the World Powers are trying to all claim the dead Celestials' body to mine it for new resources. Especially Adamantium.
In this context, the Leader may actually be the head scientist appointed by the US to research Adamantium.