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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Has there been any speculation that Marvel might make Reed Richards black? His possible decent Kang is and yes I'm aware there is 1000 years between them. But general audiences have been confused by less.
It's certainly a simpler way to diversify the Fantastic 4 than having Sue be adopted.
There is a lot of fan speculation. I've heard names like Will Smith crop up which I would be down with seeing. A strong cast is needed.
 
I don't care who plays him; I just want them to get the four characters personalities and temperaments right. That dynamic is what makes the Fantastic Four for me.
 
Has there been any speculation that Marvel might make Reed Richards black? His possible decent Kang is and yes I'm aware there is 1000 years between them. But general audiences have been confused by less.
It's certainly a simpler way to diversify the Fantastic 4 than having Sue be adopted.
I suggested before that my biggest complaint with Fox's casting of Michael B. Jordan wasn't making Johnny Storm black, it was making Sue Storm white. It really felt like they wanted to cast a black actor but not too many black actors. There's no reason to make any of the Storm siblings adopted.
Anyway, as much as I love the fan casting of John Krasinski, I'd have no problem casting a black actor for Reed Richards.
 
I suggested before that my biggest complaint with Fox's casting of Michael B. Jordan wasn't making Johnny Storm black, it was making Sue Storm white. It really felt like they wanted to cast a black actor but not too many black actors. There's no reason to make any of the Storm siblings adopted.

Hmm... I'd always thought Josh Trank said that he made the family biracial because he came from a biracial family himself and wanted to represent that increasingly common reality. But I checked, and apparently he later admitted that he wanted the whole Storm family to be black and the studio forbade it, insisting that Sue be white. As if I didn't already have enough contempt for the 2015 film. Wow.

Which is kind of odd considering that the previous FF film series cast a Latina Sue Storm.

Also, Michael B. Jordan and Reg Cathey gave the only good performances in the entire movie. The hell with racists.


Anyway, as much as I love the fan casting of John Krasinski, I'd have no problem casting a black actor for Reed Richards.

I've often thought that Phil Morris would make an excellent Reed. One of the first roles I saw him in was as a tech genius, in the 1988 Mission: Impossible revival where he played the son and successor of his real-life father Greg Morris's character from the original series.
 
Which is kind of odd considering that the previous FF film series cast a Latina Sue Storm.

Yes, but Jessica Alba wasn't playing a Latina Sue Storm, hence the blonde hair and blue contacts. Remember that was before everyone insisted on Actor/Character ethnicity fidelity. If they did it again now the internet would shout "whitewashing" even though Jessica Alba is white, and only Hispanic on her Fathers side.
 
Yes, but Jessica Alba wasn't playing a Latina Sue Storm, hence the blonde hair and blue contacts.

Beside the point. Characters don't exist. Actors are real. Diverse casting is not a character accuracy issue, it's a real-word fair hiring issue. They were willing to give the job of portraying Susan Storm to a non-white actress. That's the point. So it's pretty hypocritical that they refused to do so a second time.

Remember that was before everyone insisted on Actor/Character ethnicity fidelity.

Again: Not about the characters. About fair hiring, representation, and inclusion. Casting a diverse actor as a traditionally white character improves representation. Casting a white actor as a traditionally nonwhite character hurts representation. It's not symmetrical.
 
No they weren't, Jessica Alba is white, she's just Hispanic White instead of Scandanavian White.

Why are you arguing this? The point is to critique the makers of the 2015 film for being racist and insisting on a white Sue. Surely you're not defending them for that? Don't get so obsessed with splitting hairs that you miss the actual point of the discussion.
 
There is a lot of fan speculation. I've heard names like Will Smith crop up which I would be down with seeing. A strong cast is needed.
If Will Smith was Reed Richards I think we'd be seeing some kind of 'merged multiverse' with an already existing Fantastic Four who had been together for awhile rather then an origin story just given Will Smith's age.

Which might actually not be the worst idea just because we've already had 2 movies with Fantastic Four origin stories.
 
Don't get so obsessed with splitting hairs that you miss the actual point of the discussion.

Sorry, it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine. Anyway, Fox can be wrong without also being hypocritical. If Sue had been black can you imagine the hot takes on the "Invisible Woman" being black? Similarly, The Thing can't be black either since he transforms early in the film, so it "wouldn't count" (I call this the Princess and the Frog rule). Johnny should match Sue, so Reed is the only choice, if they go that route.

As much fun as Majors is, it probably would have made more sense to cast someone multiracial as Kang in the first place since there's been a millennia of cross pollination going on.
 
If Will Smith was Reed Richards I think we'd be seeing some kind of 'merged multiverse' with an already existing Fantastic Four who had been together for awhile rather then an origin story just given Will Smith's age.

Which might actually not be the worst idea just because we've already had 2 movies with Fantastic Four origin stories.
I could see that happening. They could do a short flash back with de-aged Smith. Maybe their powers manifest later. But, I always see Reed as a more seasoned gentleman so I'm OK with them doing an origin with him at his age now. He's a healthy, youthful man for 52.
 
Smith has always been super picky about sequels, has he done any other than MIB? I suppose Marvel Money could be very persuasive. I'd still like to see a 1960s period piece F4. But the Lost in the Past and Found in the present bit was done by Captain America (and sort of by Captain Marvel, but not in Universe so it doesn't count). As with all these you need to come up with a good excuse why they haven't been around. So they either have to be a new team, thus the origin story, yet again, or they have been out of commission for a long time, like lost in the Negative zone since 1960s, but very little time has passed for them.

They didn't really milk Caps Fish out of Water story for as much as they could have, so it might not be retreading too much.
 
They didn't really milk Caps Fish out of Water story for as much as they could have, so it might not be retreading too much.

I tend to agree with this point, which is why I love this deleted seeing from the first Avengers and wish not only that it had been included, but that we had gotten more like it.


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Variety reports that I May Destroy You's Michaela Coel has joined the cast in Wakanda Forever.

I haven't watched that show yet but I've heard nothing but great things about it, so I'm certain this is excellent news.
 
from a DC (Arrow) show to a Marvel one

That's happened a fair number of times by now, I think. Off the top of my head, Briana Venskus went from playing DEO Agent Vasquez on Supergirl to SHIELD Agent Piper on Agents of SHIELD, and Floriana Lima left Supergirl to do The Punisher season 2 (which I considered a step down in terms of how good a character she got to play). Oh, yeah, and Adrian Pasdar was both the Earth-38 Morgan Edge and AoS's Glenn Talbot, though he was Talbot both before and after Edge. Wow, all the examples I can think of are from Supergirl.
 
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