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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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I can see Spidey and the F.F. meshing with the MCU, but the Xmen are even a poor fit in the comics (or were last time I read them decades ago). How can anti mutant feeling thrive in a world familiar with costumed and super powered individuals. Bitten by a radioactive spider is acceptable, naturally develop powers and you're a pariah ?

The films have a chance to smooth that over : human-mutant relations may be better since the events in the 'past' of Days of Future Past.

Given that Sony and Marvel seem to get on, but Fox and Marvel don't, I'd say that's pointer as to how it may go...
 
^Astonishing X-Men (comic) did a great job meshing together the expanded universe. Also, the Civil War comic line is a good reason for the populace to choose sides (and become anti-mutant and/or inhumans). Especially when the superstar Stark says the gifted should be registered.
 
Very cool news about Cap 3. The Civil War story is an ambitious one, and I imagine that there will have to be more super-hero co-stars than just RDJ/Iron Man.

As for the Russos taking over from Whedon, I think they would be an excellent choice, but I would have liked to see a full Avengers trilogy from Whedon.
 
Holy crap. That would be amazing. But how could you do the entire Civil War storyline in a single movie? And there aren't enough characters in the MCU to have two proper armies of superheroes.
 
It'd be cool, be I'd really rather not have RDJ/Iron Man totally overshadow what should still be a "Cap" movie.

ie. who's name would come first on the poster? I would hope we don't end up with "Captain America 3 staring Robert Downey Jnr"
 
It is way too soon to do Civil War. They would need to introduce a ton of heroes for each side. Not to mention the fact that as of right now there are no secret identities in the MCU. Does this at least lend credence to the Spider-Man rumors? Spidey is such a vital part of Civil War, and I couldn't see them doing it without him.
 
Marvel's relationship with Sony is far better than their relationship with Fox, and Sony's not exactly in a position of strength right now, so I suppose it's possible. If they actually do work out some kind of deal that places their Spider-Man in the MCU and allows him to appear in MCU films, that'll take a lot of wind out of Batman v. Superman's sails.

If this Civil War rumor pans out, I imagine something must happen in Age of Ultron that will cause a major shift in Stark's attitude. He's never really had much respect for authority up to this point. In Iron Man 2 he strongly opposed the government's attempt to confiscate his suits and technology. Something has to happen to make him decide that superheroes need to be registered and monitored by the government.
 
the same thing happened in the comics, Iron Man was always anti-reg but then Stamford happened and he realized that registration was going to happen no matter what so he has to get out in front of it and control it and make sure it doesn't get abused.
 
I'm a bit surprised they're doing Civil War so early. I guess this means that Daredevil, Luke Cage etc will be moving into the movies as well?

Be interesting to see which sides the heroes fall on.
 
It's true though, like OdoWanKenobi says, it does seem too early and they're aren't enough heroes. I mean, who would be actually be on Cap's side wanting to protect their identity?

Everyone knows who Iron Man is anyway.
Cap doesn't know anyone in the present so I don't see why he'd care about his identity right now.
Hawkeye & Black Widow already worked for SHIELD.
The government obviously knows Bruce Banner is the Hulk.
Thor isn't even human so he doesn't count.
Pretty sure the Guardians of the Galaxy don't care.


So Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver then, Ant-Man maybe? And this movie is out before Doctor Strange so count him out...
I suppose the first season of Daredevil will be done with by then. Still, it's hardly a huge roster.
 
Mr Light said:
the same thing happened in the comics, Iron Man was always anti-reg but then Stamford happened and he realized that registration was going to happen no matter what so he has to get out in front of it and control it and make sure it doesn't get abused.
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Yes, make sure it doesnt get abused by abusing the hell out of it. That's another reservation I have. The Civil War arc portrayed Tony as a muahahaha evil fascist. I'm pretty sure Marvel doesnt want to go that direction with the character in the movies.
 
When I brought up the Civil War before, I didn't actually think they'll do it. I agree with those who believe it's too soon for it.
 
I also agree it's too soon. Now, if it's after Avengers 3, Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, and all four of the Netflix series, then they would be a little better off. That and if they can manage to get Spider-Man into the mix.

Another thought comes to mind: Maybe Captain America 3 is just the set-up, ending with the registration and leading to a greater conflict in a later film.
 
Civil War was one of my favorite Marvel events (only marred by some inconsistencies and the inability of Marvel to pull it through correctly but the core idea was amazing) so i'm pretty excited about these news.

However given the end of Cap 2 i believed Cap 3 would center on Steve's quest to get back Bucky, i don't see a way to mix both stories together and give each enough room to work on their own.

However i don't think it's too soon for Civil War.. Cap 2 already laid the groundwork by making Shield the enemy of Captain America and Cap already pointed out his opinion about Shield's new strike carriers and the accompanying total surveillance as going into the wrong direction.

Marvel will never be able to have the kind of movie roster as they do in comics, mainly because the comics had decades to introduce new characters and make us know them. The MCU exists for less than a decade and they only concentrated on the most high profile characters to get viewers so obviously the story would have to be adapted somewhat.

The core idea of Civil War however can be done quite well even if we don't get 2 huge costumed camps going at each other openly or in secret. As has been said it would also be a prime opportunity to "loan" Spiderman from Sony and contrary to the comics Civil War have him be on Caps side because he represents all that is needed about superhero secret identities and why they exist in the first place.

Alternatively they could use the remaining movies until Cap 3 to introduce some second tier superheroes (even if only by some news reports or walk in cameos) to bolster the roster and make it more visually exciting to see multiple superheroes go at each other.

Either way it is a bold move akin to the destruction of Shield in Cap 2.. again something that could shake up the entire MCU to the core (and we still have ot seen the movie fallout of Shields demise,, really looking forward to Avengers 2).
 
Jar Jar Binks said:
If this Civil War rumor pans out, I imagine something must happen in Age of Ultron that will cause a major shift in Stark's attitude. He's never really had much respect for authority up to this point. In Iron Man 2 he strongly opposed the government's attempt to confiscate his suits and technology. Something has to happen to make him decide that superheroes need to be registered and monitored by the government.
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Not to mention the fact that said event would have to overcome the US senator pushing to confiscate his suits and technology being a member of HYDRA.

Seems kind of weird to trust all the governments that implicitly considering they were all just recently infiltrated by a terrorist organization bend on world domination considering HYDRA is still out there and likely still has infiltrators everywhere.
 
Well so far we have what...

Cap
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
War Machine
Falcon

Plus presumably, depending on events of future films,

Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Bucky
Daredevil
Luke Cage
Iron Fist
Jessica Jones
Ant-Man
Doctor Strange

Plus whatever they're going to do with Nick Fury, Maria Hill and the cast of Agents of SHIELD. Oh and Deathlok.

It's not a bad number, if they add more to it over the coming years. It's just a matter of sorting out the sides and figure out why some heroes would actually want themselves and their allies to be registered.
 
FPAlpha said:
However given the end of Cap 2 i believed Cap 3 would center on Steve's quest to get back Bucky, i don't see a way to mix both stories together and give each enough room to work on their own.
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Which is why I take this rumor with a grain of salt since it would likely require them dropping a plot line to do, ignore the anti-registration side being able to raise the HYDRA is still everywhere point, and ignoring the Agents of Shield already had SHIELD basically registering every superhuman already.
 
I'd love to see a movie based on Civil War, which is easily my favorite Marvel event. I think they could do a decent job of it in Cap 3, and more RDjr as Tony Stark is a good thing. I hope these rumors turn out to be true.
 
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